Back to current chapter?

[Keith Davis]

Nice, Laura and Mark...

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You go, Laura! Beautiful pick.
> On May 6, 2016 1:32 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Another time-ripple is the movie theater memory. Here, it seems to be one
>> of the St. Veronica's patients re-living their trauma of being in a movie
>> theater when it's bombed. Like the final getting-bombed-in-a-movie-theater
>> sequence, it's narrated in the second person. This sequence is
>> present-to-past-to-present, but also, potentially, past-to-prsent-to-future.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> >Sent: May 6, 2016 8:43 AM
>> >To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> >Subject: Re: Back to current chapter?
>> >
>> >Legitimate questions both.
>> >
>> > The summary was attempting to condense the story line. I think  I will
>> rewrite the summary to make it clear that the correlation is in the mind of
>> Spectro and Pointsman.( part of my summary project is to get feedback so I
>> end up with something P readers agree is reasonably accurate)  What is
>> clear is that we have passed into a higher level of interpretation and
>> decision making. KS an PP have access to all the data collected and are
>> persuaded that the correlation is real. My reading is that whether the
>> correlation is connected or a bizarre fluke, which even Mexico doubts, the
>> stars on the map were placed before the strikes. Up to this point the cause
>> of the high degree of interest surrounding the map has been vague. Here it
>> comes into focus. That was all I intended to say.
>> >
>> >One aspect of the map and the scientists discussion of  a correlative
>> mechnism is the question of  time as a dimension. Pynchon is questioning
>> and playing with this role and nature of time. Can events in the future,
>> influence the present? Do they cast a shadow, send messages. We see the
>> ripples  from past forward but does it work in reverse? What would it look
>> like?
>> >
>> >As to MAD, that goes back to the phrase ” a ghost in the sky" from the
>> first of the 2 paragraphs of authorial comment:
>> >      Imagine a missile one hears approaching only after it explodes.
>> The reversal! A piece of time neatly snipped out . . . a few feet of film
>> run backwards . . . the blast of the rocket, fallen faster than sound—then
>> growing out of it the roar of its own fall, catching up to what’s already
>> death and burning . . . a ghost in the sky. . . .
>> >
>> >P is writing this at a time when the fear of nuclear war was intense and
>> debate was eqaully intense. A generation was coming of age with this “ghost
>> in the sky”. I think the debate over cause and effect concerning the
>> instant annihilation from the V2s , is more than a chance reflection of
>> that debate. Can nukes be both the cause of the disease and the cure? No
>> one has to agree that this is an important layer of meaning in the text,
>> which is why it’s a comment and an invitation to respond.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On May 5, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Me, I'm still trying to figure out what mutual assured destruction has
>> to do with Pavlov.
>> >>
>> >> Or how "we find with full clarity that Slothrop is somehow predicting
>> the location and time of the fall of the rockets with his map of
>> erections"... 'cause all I find is that Spectro and Pointsman think so.
>> >>
>> >> Will check in if I make progress.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> I like stouts, have no taste for IPAs. I’m glad for the IPA makers
>> that someone likes them. I like people who like IPAs, but they taste like
>> someone stirred in acetone to me. Maybe I have Irish chemistry. I don’t
>> know, but words will not change this .
>> >>
>> >> Anyone else up for a group read of a masterpiece or is this project
>> going up in smoke?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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