BtZ42: Woutan rides high.

[Monte Davis]

And speaking of the survival and filterings of myth:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/30/emoji-bible-arrived-god-king-james

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> MK > I have no idea whether Woutan usages were more common when GR was
> written
>
> The Germans insisted on "W(u)otan" after their great 19C burst of
> history/philology/mythography/nationalism, but you need to Ngram "Odin" too
> if you want a broader European (let alone Anglophone) survey. Most people
> outside Germany (and GR studies), seeing a one-eyed dude with winged helmet
> and crows, are gonna say "Norse" before "Teutonic."
>
> I realized early in studying with Campbell that our impressions of the Age
> and Importance and Profundity of mythical figures, tropes and themes are
> very much filtered through historical contingencies of (1) who wrote it
> down when (or had a broad, continuous oral tradition), (2) whose stuff got
> adopted/adapted with some coherence to ensuing cultures, e.g.
> Greek->Roman->upper-class Anglophone, and (3) which bits got highlighted in
> which canons of early-modern and modern literature, drama, Wagnerian
> music/drama. etc...
>
> Of possible interest, wholesome or otherwise:
> https://volkischpaganism.com/2014/10/08/carl-jung-on-hitler-as-personification-of-the-wotan-archetype/
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Laura writes:
>> "They hunt the sky like Wuotan and his mad army." Wuotan and his wild
>> hunt signifying death to those who see it (a folkloric concept most
>> recently ripped off by Game of Thrones, in the form of the White Walkers).
>> After the obscurities of the Kenosha Kid, this is a little heavy-handed,
>> no?"
>>
>> I've always, again without fully examining, thought this might have come
>> from Wagner maybe thru Nietzsche. We seem to know P has read and used some
>> Nietzsche,* The Birth of Tragedy *at least.
>> But we also know from elsewhere that he does like the old Black Forest
>> Deep Germany of folk tales, etc. so he surely went there in his reading.
>>
>> I have no idea whether Woutan usages were more common when GR was
>> written, hence maybe a heavy-handed cliche and just accept it as a fanboy.
>> I have always felt it more fun to simply ingest and right on compared to
>> the obscurities of the Kenosha Kid section, a frustrating section without
>> real help and thought.
>>
>>
>> After writing the above, It occurred to check out book citations of
>> Woutan, Wotan in Google Books:
>> Another fascinating look at such things. Woutan was HUGE (because Wagner,
>> I'm sayin"?) in books over a hundred to 150 years ago THEN went down thru
>> and to the sixties---and had a rise again!
>>
>> https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Woutan%2C+Wotan&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CWotan%3B%2Cc0
>>
>
>
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