pynchon-l-digest V2 #13077

Wed Nov 9 15:02:28 CST 2016

There is a passage in Mason & Dixon where Dixon is talking about slavery as
the original sin of the US - it is perhaps... 3/4 of the way through the
book and Dixon has just gotten into a fight with a slaver and is speaking
to Mason. I don't have my copy of the book with me but if someone could
take a photo of that page and email it to me or just remind me of what he
says, that would be amazing.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:00 AM, pynchon-l-digest <
owner-pynchon-l-digest at waste.org> wrote:

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> =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
>
> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> wrote=
> :
> > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the eastern
> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
> > translation of that yields
> >
> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=C7=
> =9C
> >
> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge, or
> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance to
> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4   The sun is still hours away, down the vast
> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime corpses
> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overhead.
> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward
> Swinem=C3=BCnd=
> e.
> >>
> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=
> 3Dunderslope=
> &hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr
> 5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage=
> &q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
> >>
> >> Is that the meaning used here?
> >> -
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> Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual associations of
> undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the word under and
> No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association but
>
> I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of the music of
> the spheres. (If I were a real commentator)
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
> >
> > Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the
> easte=
> rn
> > > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
> > > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
> > > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
> > > translation of that yields
> > >
> > > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng
> xi=C3=A9l=C7=
> =9C
> > >
> > > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
> > > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge,
> o=
> r
> > > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
> > > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance
> =
> to
> > > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <
> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.co=
> m
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4   The sun is still hours away, down the vast
> > >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
> > >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime corpses
> > >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overhead.
> > >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
> > >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward
> Swinem=C3=BC=
> nde.
> > >>
> > >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D
> > underslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A
> > FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
> > >>
> > >> Is that the meaning used here?
> > >> -
> > >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual
> asso=
> ciations of undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the
> wo=
> rd under and No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association
> but<div><b=
> r></div><div>I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of
> th=
> e music of the spheres. (If I were a real commentator)=C2=A0</div></div>
> <di=
> v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
> =
> at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:
> gravitys.rain=
> bow.cn at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
> </a>></=
> span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
> .8e=
> x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is
> slope =
> in the mathematical sense.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.<br>
> <span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <<a href=3D"mailto:
> montedav=
> is49 at gmail.com">montedavis49 at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> </span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">> It's before dawn:
> s=
> patially, the sun is still far "down" over the eastern<br>
> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In
> military=
> <br>
> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a
> ridg=
> e, hill or<br>
> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons.
> Goo9g=
> le<br>
> > translation of that yields<br>
> ><br>
> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=
> =C7=9C<br>
> ><br>
> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if
> I=
>  saw it in<br>
> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging
> led=
> ge, or<br>
> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations<br>
> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus
> signific=
> ance to<br>
> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <<a href=3D"mailto:
> gravit=
> ys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com</a><wbr>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sun is still hours
> away,=
>  down the vast<br>
> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines
> sl=
> ow.<br>
> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime
> cor=
> pses<br>
> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by
> overh=
> ead.<br>
> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that
> =
> can<br>
> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward Swinem=
> =C3=BCnde.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> <a href=3D"https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&
> amp;pg=
> =3DPA9&dq=3Dunderslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&
> ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZ=
> bQAhUW8YMKHfr5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse"
> re=
> l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://books.google.ca/books?<wbr>id=
> 3D=
> ZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D<wbr>underslope&hl=
> 3Den&sa=3DX&a=
> mp;ved=3D<wbr>0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A<wbr>FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&
> am=
> p;q=3D<wbr>underslope&f=3Dfalse</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> Is that the meaning used here?<br>
> >> -<br>
> >> Pynchon-l / <a href=3D"http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l"
> r=
> el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.waste.org/mail/
> ?<wbr>listpyn=
> chon-l</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
>
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