pynchon-l-digest V2 #13077
Keith Davis
kbob42 at gmail.com
Wed Nov 9 15:07:34 CST 2016
I'm almost at that point in M&D. I'll keep an eye out for it...
Www.innergroovemusic.com
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Jamie Anderson <jamiek.anderson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is a passage in Mason & Dixon where Dixon is talking about slavery as the original sin of the US - it is perhaps... 3/4 of the way through the book and Dixon has just gotten into a fight with a slaver and is speaking to Mason. I don't have my copy of the book with me but if someone could take a photo of that page and email it to me or just remind me of what he says, that would be amazing.
>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:00 AM, pynchon-l-digest <owner-pynchon-l-digest at waste.org> wrote:
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>> pynchon-l-digest Wednesday, November 9 2016 Volume 02 : Number 13077
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>> =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
>>
>> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote=
>> :
>> > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the eastern
>> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
>> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
>> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
>> > translation of that yields
>> >
>> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=C7=
>> =9C
>> >
>> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
>> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge, or
>> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
>> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance to
>> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4 The sun is still hours away, down the vast
>> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
>> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime corpses
>> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overhead.
>> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
>> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward Swinem=C3=BCnd=
>> e.
>> >>
>> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3Dunderslope=
>> &hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage=
>> &q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
>> >>
>> >> Is that the meaning used here?
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>> Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual associations of
>> undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the word under and
>> No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association but
>>
>> I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of the music of
>> the spheres. (If I were a real commentator)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the easte=
>> rn
>> > > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
>> > > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
>> > > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
>> > > translation of that yields
>> > >
>> > > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=C7=
>> =9C
>> > >
>> > > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
>> > > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge, o=
>> r
>> > > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
>> > > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance =
>> to
>> > > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.co=
>> m
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4 The sun is still hours away, down the vast
>> > >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
>> > >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime corpses
>> > >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overhead.
>> > >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
>> > >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward Swinem=C3=BC=
>> nde.
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D
>> > underslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A
>> > FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
>> > >>
>> > >> Is that the meaning used here?
>> > >> -
>> > >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> <div dir=3D"ltr">Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual asso=
>> ciations of undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the wo=
>> rd under and No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association but<div><b=
>> r></div><div>I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of th=
>> e music of the spheres. (If I were a real commentator)=C2=A0</div></div><di=
>> v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 =
>> at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gravitys.rain=
>> bow.cn at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com</a>></=
>> span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
>> x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope =
>> in the mathematical sense.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.<br>
>> <span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <<a href=3D"mailto:montedav=
>> is49 at gmail.com">montedavis49 at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> </span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">> It's before dawn: s=
>> patially, the sun is still far "down" over the eastern<br>
>> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military=
>> <br>
>> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridg=
>> e, hill or<br>
>> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9g=
>> le<br>
>> > translation of that yields<br>
>> ><br>
>> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=
>> =C7=9C<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I=
>> saw it in<br>
>> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging led=
>> ge, or<br>
>> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations<br>
>> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus signific=
>> ance to<br>
>> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <<a href=3D"mailto:gravit=
>> ys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com</a><wbr>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sun is still hours away,=
>> down the vast<br>
>> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines sl=
>> ow.<br>
>> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime cor=
>> pses<br>
>> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overh=
>> ead.<br>
>> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that =
>> can<br>
>> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward Swinem=
>> =C3=BCnde.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a href=3D"https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=
>> =3DPA9&dq=3Dunderslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZ=
>> bQAhUW8YMKHfr5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse" re=
>> l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://books.google.ca/books?<wbr>id=3D=
>> ZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D<wbr>underslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&a=
>> mp;ved=3D<wbr>0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A<wbr>FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&am=
>> p;q=3D<wbr>underslope&f=3Dfalse</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Is that the meaning used here?<br>
>> >> -<br>
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>> el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.waste.org/mail/?<wbr>listpyn=
>> chon-l</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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