pynchon-l-digest V2 #13077

Wed Nov 9 15:39:06 CST 2016

Scanned and sent. Always use W.A.S.T.E.
Weirdly I remembered that sequence as a single one too, but it's
actually two different passages separated by several pages. The first
is Dixon arguing to Mason that slavery is the common element they've
encountered wherever they've traveled, but one that nice places
pretend exists only over in dark foreign lands; the second is the
encounter with the slave-driver in which Dixon is surprisingly civil,
despite wanting to beat him, deciding instead only to warn that slaves
always rise up against their captors.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm almost at that point in M&D. I'll keep an eye out for it...
>
> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Jamie Anderson <jamiek.anderson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> There is a passage in Mason & Dixon where Dixon is talking about slavery as
> the original sin of the US - it is perhaps... 3/4 of the way through the
> book and Dixon has just gotten into a fight with a slaver and is speaking to
> Mason. I don't have my copy of the book with me but if someone could take a
> photo of that page and email it to me or just remind me of what he says,
> that would be amazing.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:00 AM, pynchon-l-digest
> <owner-pynchon-l-digest at waste.org> wrote:
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>> =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
>>
>> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> wrote=
>> :
>> > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the
>> > eastern
>> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
>> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
>> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
>> > translation of that yields
>> >
>> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=C7=
>> =9C
>> >
>> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
>> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge, or
>> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
>> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance
>> > to
>> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing
>> > <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4   The sun is still hours away, down the vast
>> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
>> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime corpses
>> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by overhead.
>> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
>> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward
>> >> Swinem=C3=BCnd=
>> e.
>> >>
>> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3Dunderslope=
>>
>> &hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage=
>> &q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
>> >>
>> >> Is that the meaning used here?
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>> Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual associations of
>> undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the word under
>> and
>> No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association but
>>
>> I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of the music of
>> the spheres. (If I were a real commentator)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > =E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope in the mathematical sense.
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > It's before dawn: spatially, the sun is still far "down" over the
>> > > easte=
>> rn
>> > > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In military
>> > > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a ridge, hill or
>> > > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons. Goo9gle
>> > > translation of that yields
>> > >
>> > > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng
>> > > xi=C3=A9l=C7=
>> =9C
>> > >
>> > > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if I saw it in
>> > > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging ledge,
>> > > o=
>> r
>> > > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations
>> > > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus significance
>> > > =
>> to
>> > > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing
>> > > <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.co=
>> m
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4   The sun is still hours away, down the
>> > >> vast
>> > >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines slow.
>> > >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime
>> > >> corpses
>> > >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by
>> > >> overhead.
>> > >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that can
>> > >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward
>> > >> Swinem=C3=BC=
>> nde.
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D
>> > underslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A
>> > FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse
>> > >>
>> > >> Is that the meaning used here?
>> > >> -
>> > >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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>> <div dir=3D"ltr">Too early this morning, the linguistic and conceptual
>> asso=
>> ciations of undertone and underslope entered me. Not surprising with the
>> wo=
>> rd under and No, I do not think Pynchon intended any association
>> but<div><b=
>> r></div><div>I could not help thinking of the grounding, so to speak, of
>> th=
>> e music of the spheres. (If I were a real
>> commentator)=C2=A0</div></div><di=
>> v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 8, 2016
>> =
>> at 4:48 AM, Mike Jing <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
>> href=3D"mailto:gravitys.rain=
>> bow.cn at gmail.com"
>> target=3D"_blank">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com</a>></=
>> span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
>> .8e=
>> x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 is slope
>> =
>> in the mathematical sense.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks everyone for replying. I think I understand now.<br>
>> <span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Monte Davis <<a
>> href=3D"mailto:montedav=
>> is49 at gmail.com">montedavis49 at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> </span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">> It's before dawn:
>> s=
>> patially, the sun is still far "down" over the eastern<br>
>> > horizon. All that territory is invisible, thus unreadable. In
>> military=
>> <br>
>> > tactics it's the "reverse slope": the far side of a
>> ridg=
>> e, hill or<br>
>> > embankment which you can't hit with flat-trajectory weapons.
>> Goo9g=
>> le<br>
>> > translation of that yields<br>
>> ><br>
>> > =E5=8F=8D=E5=90=91=E6=96=9C=E7=8E=87 - F=C7=8En xi=C3=A0ng xi=C3=A9l=
>> =C7=9C<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To me "underslope" is a one-off, idiosyncratic coinage: if
>> I=
>>  saw it in<br>
>> > isolation, I'd guess it means the lower face of an overhanging
>> led=
>> ge, or<br>
>> > maybe a strip of flat ground at the base of a slope..? Citations<br>
>> > notwithstanding, I don't think it has any clear consensus
>> signific=
>> ance to<br>
>> > English-speaking readers. So you have a free hand.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Mike Jing <<a
>> href=3D"mailto:gravit=
>> ys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com">gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com</a><wbr>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> V468.13-18, P475.40-376.4=C2=A0 =C2=A0The sun is still hours
>> away,=
>>  down the vast<br>
>> >> unreadable underslope of Russia. Fog closes in, and the engines
>> sl=
>> ow.<br>
>> >> Wrecks slide away under the keel of the white ship. Springtime
>> cor=
>> pses<br>
>> >> caught in the wreckage twist and flow as the Anubis moves by
>> overh=
>> ead.<br>
>> >> Under the bowsprit, the golden jackal, the only being aboard that
>> =
>> can<br>
>> >> see through the fog, stares ahead, down the river, toward Swinem=
>> =C3=BCnde.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Apparently, underslope is a type of earmark:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <a
>> href=3D"https://books.google.ca/books?id=3DZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=
>>
>> =3DPA9&dq=3Dunderslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&ved=3D0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZ=
>> bQAhUW8YMKHfr5AFYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&q=3Dunderslope&f=3Dfalse"
>> re=
>> l=3D"noreferrer"
>> target=3D"_blank">https://books.google.ca/books?<wbr>id=3D=
>>
>> ZjjYpBRkB_8C&pg=3DPA9&dq=3D<wbr>underslope&hl=3Den&sa=3DX&a=
>>
>> mp;ved=3D<wbr>0ahUKEwjb3ICxpZbQAhUW8YMKHfr5A<wbr>FYQ6AEIKTAC#v=3Donepage&am=
>> p;q=3D<wbr>underslope&f=3Dfalse</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Is that the meaning used here?<br>
>> >> -<br>
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