GR translation:

[Mark Kohut]

"mountain love"...yes, deeper and as eternal as the earth. ...a counter
statement to
Marvell's 'vegetable love" (in effect if not actual influence)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4173402?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 3:49 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> "The young exiled women in their certain love. In their innocence of
> him" would seem a reference to some archetype story, as eternal as the
> geological events described.  The following "millions and millions of souls
> gone behind him" suggests that the flow of souls are equally eternal.
>
> I think this passage should be linked to Slothrup's Crossroads passage.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have read 'in their certain love' as love as solid and forever as the
>> mountains--[phrase before it]--
>> Certain carrying notions of the love so unthinkingly deep, it can hardly
>> even be questioned.  Like worldview beliefs
>> from the way back--Adams' Mont-Saint Michel time; as in what Wittgenstein
>> said in On Certainty,
>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Certainty].
>> The exiled women do not even know anything about the real Tchitcherine,
>> yet their love is there.
>>
>> Of course, Tchitcherine will one day be so transformed that the above and
>> the other so solid
>> world-changing realities--earthquakes, wind, a purge, a war, and millions
>> of previous deaths
>> will hardly be in his memory.
>>
>> Here and in a few other places, I often think of some mystical religious
>> writers---such as Simone Weil
>> of Gravity & Grace [sic, those key TRP terms]---who write of the Beatific
>> Vision or simply the death-transformation.
>> Simone basically says, yes we survive bodily death but we hardly will
>> know--or care.
>> Even one of the Gospellers, or Paul:  "The eye has not seen, nor the ear
>> heard" etc.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> V359.10-20, P364.31-365.3   Tchitcherine will reach the Kirghiz Light,
>>> but not his birth. He is no aqyn, and his heart was never ready. He
>>> will see It just before dawn. He will spend 12 hours then, face-up on
>>> the desert, a prehistoric city greater than Babylon lying in stifled
>>> mineral sleep a kilometer below his back, as the shadow of the tall
>>> rock, rising to a point, dances west to east and Džaqyp Qulan tends
>>> him, anxious as child and doll, and drying foam laces the necks of the
>>> two horses. But someday, like the mountains, like the young exiled
>>> women in their certain love, in their innocence of him, like the
>>> morning earthquakes and the cloud-driving wind, a purge, a war, and
>>> millions after millions of souls gone behind him, he will hardly be
>>> able to remember It.
>>>
>>> What's the meaning of "in their certain love" and "in their innocence of
>>> him"?
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>>>
>>
>>
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