GR translation:

[David Morris]

The reason I think this archetype Tchitch imagery laying prone on his
back is linkable to Slothrup's Crossroads episode is the reference to the
ancient city of Babylon "a kilometer below his back."  GR is infinitely
mystical.

On Saturday, September 10, 2016, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> "The young exiled women in their certain love. In their innocence of
> him" would seem a reference to some archetype story, as eternal as the
> geological events described.  The following "millions and millions of souls
> gone behind him" suggests that the flow of souls are equally eternal.
>
> I think this passage should be linked to Slothrup's Crossroads passage.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2016, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I have read 'in their certain love' as love as solid and forever as the
>> mountains--[phrase before it]--
>> Certain carrying notions of the love so unthinkingly deep, it can hardly
>> even be questioned.  Like worldview beliefs
>> from the way back--Adams' Mont-Saint Michel time; as in what Wittgenstein
>> said in On Certainty,
>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Certainty].
>> The exiled women do not even know anything about the real Tchitcherine,
>> yet their love is there.
>>
>> Of course, Tchitcherine will one day be so transformed that the above and
>> the other so solid
>> world-changing realities--earthquakes, wind, a purge, a war, and millions
>> of previous deaths
>> will hardly be in his memory.
>>
>> Here and in a few other places, I often think of some mystical religious
>> writers---such as Simone Weil
>> of Gravity & Grace [sic, those key TRP terms]---who write of the Beatific
>> Vision or simply the death-transformation.
>> Simone basically says, yes we survive bodily death but we hardly will
>> know--or care.
>> Even one of the Gospellers, or Paul:  "The eye has not seen, nor the ear
>> heard" etc.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> V359.10-20, P364.31-365.3   Tchitcherine will reach the Kirghiz Light,
>>> but not his birth. He is no aqyn, and his heart was never ready. He
>>> will see It just before dawn. He will spend 12 hours then, face-up on
>>> the desert, a prehistoric city greater than Babylon lying in stifled
>>> mineral sleep a kilometer below his back, as the shadow of the tall
>>> rock, rising to a point, dances west to east and Džaqyp Qulan tends
>>> him, anxious as child and doll, and drying foam laces the necks of the
>>> two horses. But someday, like the mountains, like the young exiled
>>> women in their certain love, in their innocence of him, like the
>>> morning earthquakes and the cloud-driving wind, a purge, a war, and
>>> millions after millions of souls gone behind him, he will hardly be
>>> able to remember It.
>>>
>>> What's the meaning of "in their certain love" and "in their innocence of
>>> him"?
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>>>
>>
>>
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