GR translation:

[Mike Jing]

You are right. So it's actually "in their certain love (of him), in
their innocence of him". That makes a lot more sense now.

Thanks, everyone.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, Tchitcherine. Maybe clearer than you are thinking since you just worked it out from the text.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned earlier, to me, these "young exiled women" refers to
>> Galina and Luba, possibly among others. They are just as real as the
>> mountains, the earthquakes and the wind. Am I wrong about this?
>>
>> The following passage may be relevant:
>>
>> V339.15-28  He will not come to love this sky or plain, these people,
>> their animals. Nor look back, no not even in the
>> worst marsh-bivouacs of his soul, in naked Leningrad encounters with
>> the certainty of his death, of the deaths of comrades, never keep any
>> memory of Seven Rivers to shelter with. No music heard, no summer
>> journey taken . . . no horse seen against the steppe in the last
>> daylight . . . .
>>       Certainly not Galina. Galina won’t even be a proper “memory.”
>> Already she is more like the shape of an alphabet, the procedure for
>> fieldstripping a Moisin—yes, like remembering to hold back trigger
>> with forefinger of left hand as you remove bolt with right, a set of
>> interlocking precautions, part of a process among the three exiles
>> Galina/Luba/Tchitcherine which is working out its changes, its little
>> dialectic, until it ends, with nothing past the structure to remember
>> . . . .
>>
>> Who are they in love with? Tchitcherine, possibly, although it's not
>> quite clear from the narrative.
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have read 'in their certain love' as love as solid and forever as the
>>> mountains--[phrase before it]--
>>> Certain carrying notions of the love so unthinkingly deep, it can hardly
>>> even be questioned.  Like worldview beliefs
>>> from the way back--Adams' Mont-Saint Michel time; as in what Wittgenstein
>>> said in On Certainty,
>>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Certainty].
>>> The exiled women do not even know anything about the real Tchitcherine, yet
>>> their love is there.
>>>
>>> Of course, Tchitcherine will one day be so transformed that the above and
>>> the other so solid
>>> world-changing realities--earthquakes, wind, a purge, a war, and millions of
>>> previous deaths
>>> will hardly be in his memory.
>>>
>>> Here and in a few other places, I often think of some mystical religious
>>> writers---such as Simone Weil
>>> of Gravity & Grace [sic, those key TRP terms]---who write of the Beatific
>>> Vision or simply the death-transformation.
>>> Simone basically says, yes we survive bodily death but we hardly will
>>> know--or care.
>>> Even one of the Gospellers, or Paul:  "The eye has not seen, nor the ear
>>> heard" etc.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> V359.10-20, P364.31-365.3   Tchitcherine will reach the Kirghiz Light,
>>>> but not his birth. He is no aqyn, and his heart was never ready. He
>>>> will see It just before dawn. He will spend 12 hours then, face-up on
>>>> the desert, a prehistoric city greater than Babylon lying in stifled
>>>> mineral sleep a kilometer below his back, as the shadow of the tall
>>>> rock, rising to a point, dances west to east and Džaqyp Qulan tends
>>>> him, anxious as child and doll, and drying foam laces the necks of the
>>>> two horses. But someday, like the mountains, like the young exiled
>>>> women in their certain love, in their innocence of him, like the
>>>> morning earthquakes and the cloud-driving wind, a purge, a war, and
>>>> millions after millions of souls gone behind him, he will hardly be
>>>> able to remember It.
>>>>
>>>> What's the meaning of "in their certain love" and "in their innocence of
>>>> him"?
>>>> -
>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
>>>
>>>
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