Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

[David Morris]

"Neti, neti, neti?"
Isn't that Zen?  I know it also precedes Bhudism.  Hindu advaitism.  "Not
that. Not that. Not that."  Sounds like "not everything."

I don't know TM, but I believe it was tantra.

My method focused on the body,  breath and movement, and was mostly walking
meditation.  I was "stand alone" except for the Internet.  Then Kundalini
happened, an I had no idea what it was.  Once that awakening happens
meditation becomes autopilot.  Kundalini becomes the  pilot.  The goddess
Kali is very closely associated with Kundalini, a very powerful female
force.  It is the essence of Tantra.

David Morris

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:57 AM Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A refreshing take on Zen. Not sure of the angle on 'excluding everything'
> when it's heavily Taoist. But the physical V mental I can understand... is
> Tantra more about doing those standing poses I see people doing in the park
> on Sunday mornings?
>
> And is Tantra related to Transcendental Meditation? And is it Latin for
> the plural of tantrum?
>
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:35 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can't respond now in an academic way, but the difference between the
> poles of Zen and Tantra include the following:
>
> Zen is dry.  Tantra is wet.
>
> Zen excludes everything.  Tantra includes everything.
>
> Zen is strict.  Tantra is permissive.
>
> Zen is high caste. Tantra includes the lowest caste, and also women.
>
> Zen is right.  Tantra is wrong.
>
> Zen is the elevator.  Tantra is the escalator.
>
> Do you get the gist?
> Tantra is actually also a difficult path, but it is more physical to Zen's
> mental.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:17 AM Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you elaborate on 'opposite of Zen'? Sounds interesting.
>>
>> > On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You said, "There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?"
>> >
>> > First, I thought, "Is this question serious?"  But my non-sarcastic
>> answer follows.
>> >
>> > Yes.  Tantra.  That is pretty much the opposite of Zen.  It predates
>> Bhuddism, yet is integral to Tibetan Bhuddism.  But Tantra is usually kept
>> hidden until adepts are ready for it.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>>
>
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