Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

[Atticus Pinecone]

Intriguing. I would love to be able to meditate and walk, or chew gum and stay still, clap with one hand & the like. 

Kundalini is a species of transcendence? 

> On Aug 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "Neti, neti, neti?"
> Isn't that Zen?  I know it also precedes Bhudism.  Hindu advaitism.  "Not that. Not that. Not that."  Sounds like "not everything."
> 
> I don't know TM, but I believe it was tantra.
> 
> My method focused on the body,  breath and movement, and was mostly walking meditation.  I was "stand alone" except for the Internet.  Then Kundalini happened, an I had no idea what it was.  Once that awakening happens meditation becomes autopilot.  Kundalini becomes the  pilot.  The goddess Kali is very closely associated with Kundalini, a very powerful female force.  It is the essence of Tantra.
> 
> David Morris
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:57 AM Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A refreshing take on Zen. Not sure of the angle on 'excluding everything' when it's heavily Taoist. But the physical V mental I can understand... is Tantra more about doing those standing poses I see people doing in the park on Sunday mornings? 
>> 
>> And is Tantra related to Transcendental Meditation? And is it Latin for the plural of tantrum?
>> 
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:35 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't respond now in an academic way, but the difference between the poles of Zen and Tantra include the following:
>>> 
>>> Zen is dry.  Tantra is wet.
>>> 
>>> Zen excludes everything.  Tantra includes everything.
>>> 
>>> Zen is strict.  Tantra is permissive.
>>> 
>>> Zen is high caste. Tantra includes the lowest caste, and also women.
>>> 
>>> Zen is right.  Tantra is wrong.
>>> 
>>> Zen is the elevator.  Tantra is the escalator.
>>> 
>>> Do you get the gist?
>>> Tantra is actually also a difficult path, but it is more physical to Zen's mental.
>>> 
>>> David Morris
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:17 AM Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Can you elaborate on 'opposite of Zen'? Sounds interesting.
>>>> 
>>>> > On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > You said, "There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?"
>>>> >
>>>> > First, I thought, "Is this question serious?"  But my non-sarcastic answer follows.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes.  Tantra.  That is pretty much the opposite of Zen.  It predates Bhuddism, yet is integral to Tibetan Bhuddism.  But Tantra is usually kept hidden until adepts are ready for it.
>>>> >
>>>> > David Morris
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