Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

[David Morris]

Realizing "Self" is supposed to be the goal, isn't it?

There are so many doctrines that both merge and block each other that one
fatigues.  Even one doctrine quickly fatigues.  Been through way too many.
I would still like a savior, but thinking now it is inside me.  My Self is
an active third (or second?) party in my life.

David Morris

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:16 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A mind full of self is the most common form of mindfulness, from my years
> of experience in Buddhist meditation communities. I've heard the term
> "bliss ninnies" used in connection with such. It takes discipline to
> practice mindfulness. It takes discipline to achieve anything meaningful. I
> lack discipline these days, for instance, and am spinning my wheels. I know
> what to change and how to go about it. It is time to get back to practice,
> discipline.
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No judgment! B^)
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:57 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Judge all you want.  I no longer believe in doctrine, so I must be doing
>> it "wrong."  I do a lot of things wrong.  So be it.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:51 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The antonym would be Wrong Not-Mind Emptiness.
>>>
>>> But flipping the switches we can get:
>>>
>>> Wrong Mindemptiness
>>>
>>> Wrong Unawareness (Possibly translation of 'sati' is awareness)
>>>
>>> Incorrect Forgetting
>>>
>>> Totally Not Right Thinking
>>>
>>> Boneheaded Study
>>>
>>> Un-Retentive, So Everyone Better Lookout
>>>
>>> and of course,
>>>
>>> Cant Pour Piss Out A Paduka If Instructions Were On Soul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:42 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I follow the path laid before me.  I didn't plan that path.  It chose
>>> me, so I am not alone.  No arrogance here, just following what is laid
>>> before me.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A stand alone!
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Seymour Landnau <seymourlandnau at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Om namah Shiva!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am more Hindu than Bhuddist, though I started there.  Then I met
>>>>> Kundalini.  I don't care about doctrine.  Experience is my meditation.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well to keep it grounded in Buddhism, focus is covered by in the
>>>>>> Noble Eightfold Path under Right Concentration. Words changing definition
>>>>>> is annoying & inevitable, but losing concepts is a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think "Mindfullness" in meditation terms mean "focusing attention."
>>>>>>  It is an action more than a state. There are many ways to focus attention,
>>>>>> many sense-based locales for focus.  The central idea is sustained focus on
>>>>>> a sensation or question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chi schools teach how to sense and manipulate Chi, Life Force.  More
>>>>>> passive schools don't aim to manipulate that Chi, but to give it free
>>>>>> reign.  I prefer the later.  Both are attention-based meditation
>>>>>> techniques.  Other Zen schools advise to ignore the energy.  Zen is  too
>>>>>> strict for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's where it gets weird. Mindfulness is part of the Noble
>>>>>>> Eightfold Path—and it means to keep in mind all the other numbered Buddhist
>>>>>>> stuff... all of which doesn't jive with getting ahead in a rat race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was kinda my take, but I didn't know how to say it,
>>>>>>> "secularizing mindfulness...". Nice.
>>>>>>> You might say mindfulness is a product or result of meditation?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Buddhist take on it is 'yeah, it really is selfish, but better
>>>>>>> than going around making a mess of things'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe secularizing mindfulness is... I don't know... stupid? Besides
>>>>>>> it's meditation that sows the benefits—mindfulness goes on top of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/mindfulness-would-be-good-for-you-if-it-werent-all-just-hype/2017/08/24/b97d0220-76e2-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.a655dfed2455
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
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