Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

Tue Aug 29 12:02:06 CDT 2017

I am that I am.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:56 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Realizing "Self" is supposed to be the goal, isn't it?
>
> There are so many doctrines that both merge and block each other that one
> fatigues.  Even one doctrine quickly fatigues.  Been through way too many.
> I would still like a savior, but thinking now it is inside me.  My Self is
> an active third (or second?) party in my life.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:16 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A mind full of self is the most common form of mindfulness, from my years
>> of experience in Buddhist meditation communities. I've heard the term
>> "bliss ninnies" used in connection with such. It takes discipline to
>> practice mindfulness. It takes discipline to achieve anything meaningful. I
>> lack discipline these days, for instance, and am spinning my wheels. I know
>> what to change and how to go about it. It is time to get back to practice,
>> discipline.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No judgment! B^)
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:57 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Judge all you want.  I no longer believe in doctrine, so I must be doing
>>> it "wrong."  I do a lot of things wrong.  So be it.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:51 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The antonym would be Wrong Not-Mind Emptiness.
>>>>
>>>> But flipping the switches we can get:
>>>>
>>>> Wrong Mindemptiness
>>>>
>>>> Wrong Unawareness (Possibly translation of 'sati' is awareness)
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect Forgetting
>>>>
>>>> Totally Not Right Thinking
>>>>
>>>> Boneheaded Study
>>>>
>>>> Un-Retentive, So Everyone Better Lookout
>>>>
>>>> and of course,
>>>>
>>>> Cant Pour Piss Out A Paduka If Instructions Were On Soul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:42 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I follow the path laid before me.  I didn't plan that path.  It chose
>>>> me, so I am not alone.  No arrogance here, just following what is laid
>>>> before me.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A stand alone!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Seymour Landnau <seymourlandnau at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Om namah Shiva!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am more Hindu than Bhuddist, though I started there.  Then I met
>>>>>> Kundalini.  I don't care about doctrine.  Experience is my meditation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well to keep it grounded in Buddhism, focus is covered by in the
>>>>>>> Noble Eightfold Path under Right Concentration. Words changing definition
>>>>>>> is annoying & inevitable, but losing concepts is a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think "Mindfullness" in meditation terms mean "focusing
>>>>>>> attention."  It is an action more than a state. There are many ways to
>>>>>>> focus attention, many sense-based locales for focus.  The central idea is
>>>>>>> sustained focus on a sensation or question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chi schools teach how to sense and manipulate Chi, Life Force.  More
>>>>>>> passive schools don't aim to manipulate that Chi, but to give it free
>>>>>>> reign.  I prefer the later.  Both are attention-based meditation
>>>>>>> techniques.  Other Zen schools advise to ignore the energy.  Zen is  too
>>>>>>> strict for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's where it gets weird. Mindfulness is part of the Noble
>>>>>>>> Eightfold Path—and it means to keep in mind all the other numbered Buddhist
>>>>>>>> stuff... all of which doesn't jive with getting ahead in a rat race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was kinda my take, but I didn't know how to say it,
>>>>>>>> "secularizing mindfulness...". Nice.
>>>>>>>> You might say mindfulness is a product or result of meditation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Buddhist take on it is 'yeah, it really is selfish, but better
>>>>>>>> than going around making a mess of things'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe secularizing mindfulness is... I don't know... stupid?
>>>>>>>> Besides it's meditation that sows the benefits—mindfulness goes on top of
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/mindfulness-would-
>>>>>>>> be-good-for-you-if-it-werent-all-just-hype/2017/08/24/
>>>>>>>> b97d0220-76e2-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_
>>>>>>>> term=.a655dfed2455
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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