Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

[Ian Livingston]

Transcending "self" is a goal that includes integrating self.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Seymour Landnau <seymourlandnau at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am that I am.
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 11:56 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Realizing "Self" is supposed to be the goal, isn't it?
>>
>> There are so many doctrines that both merge and block each other that one
>> fatigues.  Even one doctrine quickly fatigues.  Been through way too many.
>> I would still like a savior, but thinking now it is inside me.  My Self is
>> an active third (or second?) party in my life.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:16 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A mind full of self is the most common form of mindfulness, from my
>>> years of experience in Buddhist meditation communities. I've heard the term
>>> "bliss ninnies" used in connection with such. It takes discipline to
>>> practice mindfulness. It takes discipline to achieve anything meaningful. I
>>> lack discipline these days, for instance, and am spinning my wheels. I know
>>> what to change and how to go about it. It is time to get back to practice,
>>> discipline.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No judgment! B^)
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:57 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Judge all you want.  I no longer believe in doctrine, so I must be
>>>> doing it "wrong."  I do a lot of things wrong.  So be it.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:51 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The antonym would be Wrong Not-Mind Emptiness.
>>>>>
>>>>> But flipping the switches we can get:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong Mindemptiness
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong Unawareness (Possibly translation of 'sati' is awareness)
>>>>>
>>>>> Incorrect Forgetting
>>>>>
>>>>> Totally Not Right Thinking
>>>>>
>>>>> Boneheaded Study
>>>>>
>>>>> Un-Retentive, So Everyone Better Lookout
>>>>>
>>>>> and of course,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cant Pour Piss Out A Paduka If Instructions Were On Soul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 10:42 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I follow the path laid before me.  I didn't plan that path.  It chose
>>>>> me, so I am not alone.  No arrogance here, just following what is laid
>>>>> before me.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A stand alone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Seymour Landnau <
>>>>>> seymourlandnau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Om namah Shiva!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am more Hindu than Bhuddist, though I started there.  Then I met
>>>>>>> Kundalini.  I don't care about doctrine.  Experience is my meditation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well to keep it grounded in Buddhism, focus is covered by in the
>>>>>>>> Noble Eightfold Path under Right Concentration. Words changing definition
>>>>>>>> is annoying & inevitable, but losing concepts is a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think "Mindfullness" in meditation terms mean "focusing
>>>>>>>> attention."  It is an action more than a state. There are many ways to
>>>>>>>> focus attention, many sense-based locales for focus.  The central idea is
>>>>>>>> sustained focus on a sensation or question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chi schools teach how to sense and manipulate Chi, Life Force.
>>>>>>>> More passive schools don't aim to manipulate that Chi, but to give it free
>>>>>>>> reign.  I prefer the later.  Both are attention-based meditation
>>>>>>>> techniques.  Other Zen schools advise to ignore the energy.  Zen is  too
>>>>>>>> strict for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:59 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's where it gets weird. Mindfulness is part of the Noble
>>>>>>>>> Eightfold Path—and it means to keep in mind all the other numbered Buddhist
>>>>>>>>> stuff... all of which doesn't jive with getting ahead in a rat race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was kinda my take, but I didn't know how to say it,
>>>>>>>>> "secularizing mindfulness...". Nice.
>>>>>>>>> You might say mindfulness is a product or result of meditation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Buddhist take on it is 'yeah, it really is selfish, but better
>>>>>>>>> than going around making a mess of things'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe secularizing mindfulness is... I don't know... stupid?
>>>>>>>>> Besides it's meditation that sows the benefits—mindfulness goes on top of
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/mindfulness-would-be-
>>>>>>>>> good-for-you-if-it-werent-all-just-hype/2017/08/24/b97d0220-
>>>>>>>>> 76e2-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.a655dfed2455
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
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