Mindful pleasures..... As the words turn.

[David Morris]

This answer makes me think you are playing a game here. Anyone in
meditation circles knows about walking meditation.  Likewise even a passing
knowledge of kundalini.  I'm beginning to think you are Terrance.  I think
this is my last response to you.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 12:42 PM Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Intriguing. I would love to be able to meditate and walk, or chew gum and
> stay still, clap with one hand & the like.
>
> Kundalini is a species of transcendence?
>
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 12:29 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Neti, neti, neti?"
> Isn't that Zen?  I know it also precedes Bhudism.  Hindu advaitism.  "Not
> that. Not that. Not that."  Sounds like "not everything."
>
> I don't know TM, but I believe it was tantra.
>
> My method focused on the body,  breath and movement, and was mostly
> walking meditation.  I was "stand alone" except for the Internet.  Then
> Kundalini happened, an I had no idea what it was.  Once that awakening
> happens meditation becomes autopilot.  Kundalini becomes the  pilot.  The
> goddess Kali is very closely associated with Kundalini, a very powerful
> female force.  It is the essence of Tantra.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:57 AM Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A refreshing take on Zen. Not sure of the angle on 'excluding everything'
>> when it's heavily Taoist. But the physical V mental I can understand... is
>> Tantra more about doing those standing poses I see people doing in the park
>> on Sunday mornings?
>>
>> And is Tantra related to Transcendental Meditation? And is it Latin for
>> the plural of tantrum?
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:35 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I can't respond now in an academic way, but the difference between the
>> poles of Zen and Tantra include the following:
>>
>> Zen is dry.  Tantra is wet.
>>
>> Zen excludes everything.  Tantra includes everything.
>>
>> Zen is strict.  Tantra is permissive.
>>
>> Zen is high caste. Tantra includes the lowest caste, and also women.
>>
>> Zen is right.  Tantra is wrong.
>>
>> Zen is the elevator.  Tantra is the escalator.
>>
>> Do you get the gist?
>> Tantra is actually also a difficult path, but it is more physical to
>> Zen's mental.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 10:17 AM Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you elaborate on 'opposite of Zen'? Sounds interesting.
>>>
>>> > On Aug 29, 2017, at 11:12 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You said, "There are sects of Buddhism less strict than lay Zen?"
>>> >
>>> > First, I thought, "Is this question serious?"  But my non-sarcastic
>>> answer follows.
>>> >
>>> > Yes.  Tantra.  That is pretty much the opposite of Zen.  It predates
>>> Bhuddism, yet is integral to Tibetan Bhuddism.  But Tantra is usually kept
>>> hidden until adepts are ready for it.
>>> >
>>> > David Morris
>>>
>>
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