Pynchon's censored file aesthetic

[ish mailian]

Oh yeah, Kid, I hear you now. The Godzilla! example helped me
understand what you are getting at. Very cool, Kid. Cool Beans!

Keep it up Kid and you might be teaching a film class in Pynchon any day now.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:49 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
> Oh I know what I was thinking of: overdubbed voices! Like ... Godzilla! I
> got the same impression during some of the rocket parts like when Slothrop
> is talking to Katie about the rocket and she looks at him with pity or like
> she knows something he doesn't. I don't remember the scene exactly and don't
> have a copy with me but it's at the casino Hermann Goering. I was thinking
> Slothrop possibly could have said something else more personal but the
> readers "hear" the dubbed voice. I don't know if he was going for anything
> like this- I doubt it. But I liked the idea that passages of Gravity's
> Rainbow had been bleeped out and dubbed over. Like a confidential CIA file
> if they not only marked over words with a black marker but added new words
> on top.
> ________________________________
> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org <owner-pynchon-l at waste.org> on behalf of
> Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:16:50 PM
> To: ish mailian; pynchon -l
> Subject: Re: Pynchon's censored file aesthetic
>
> TP's choices in naming things and people are so right they can cause you to
> quiver.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The Rocket and the Whale: A Critical Study of Pynchon’s Use of Melville
>> Author:Levitsky, Zhana
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:29 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The Whiteness of visitations from Above, from Below, and later the
>> > White Finality and the whiteness of the rocket/whale....our postmodern
>> > friends used to call this symbolic use over-determined and our
>> > mathematical friends might call it an overdetermined system.
>> >
>> > The death and life and grace configurations are infinite at least.
>> >
>> > God's Grace can do wonders.
>> >
>> > In Catholicism, it is held that the purpose of this visit was to bring
>> > divine grace to both Elizabeth and her unborn child. Even though he
>> > was still in his mother's womb, John became aware of the presence of
>> > Christ, and leapt for joy as he was cleansed from original sin and
>> > filled with divine grace. Elizabeth also responded and recognised the
>> > presence of Jesus, and thus Mary exercised her function as
>> > mediatrixbetween God and man for the first time.[1]
>> >
>> > 1.  Holweck, Frederick. Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The
>> > Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 15. New York: Robert Appleton Company,
>> > 1912. 11 Oct. 2013
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Correction: Looking it up, I find "visitation" in Catholic parlance
>> >> refers
>> >> to Mary's visit to her cousin Elizabeth, mother to be of John the
>> >> Baptist.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> YES!....
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "White Visitation" a code name, always appearing in double quotes,
>> >>>> stands
>> >>>> for something secretive, namely  this inter-governmental long-named
>> >>>> organization whose purpose is supposed be to try out any outlandish
>> >>>> scheme
>> >>>> anyone can think of that might possible contribute to winning the
>> >>>> war.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The name itself sounds plausibly like a Catholic hospital or convent.
>> >>>> Angel Gabriel appearing to the BVM.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Atticus Pinecone
>> >>>> <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Like a symbol?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As for technique, is it far fetched to think he used Burroughs's cut
>> >>>>> up
>> >>>>> style? They have similarly snarled syntax.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:55 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Ok so I made a pretentious title for this post which is pretty
>> >>>>> > much
>> >>>>> > just a random idea/question. When I was reading Gravity's Rainbow
>> >>>>> > I got the
>> >>>>> > feeling that some of his proper names particularly The White
>> >>>>> > Visitation were
>> >>>>> > like, the possible term escapes me, words inserted after the true
>> >>>>> > name had
>> >>>>> > been erased. Like if you are listening to a recording of someone
>> >>>>> > talk and he
>> >>>>> > keeps mention someone but when he says that name a computer voice
>> >>>>> > chimes in.
>> >>>>> > God this is the worst attempt at explanation. But anyways I was
>> >>>>> > wondering if
>> >>>>> > maybe this idea could connect to Pynchon's "layering" technique of
>> >>>>> > writing.
>> >>>>> > Any thought?
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>> >>>>
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