Pynchon's censored file aesthetic

Thu Aug 31 16:24:30 CDT 2017

Really interesting take on it. I like the idea that there has been…interference or something, between what was said and what we actually receive. Cool notion Kid.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:11 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah, Kid, I hear you now. The Godzilla! example helped me
> understand what you are getting at. Very cool, Kid. Cool Beans!
> 
> Keep it up Kid and you might be teaching a film class in Pynchon any day now.
> 
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> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:49 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>> Oh I know what I was thinking of: overdubbed voices! Like ... Godzilla! I
>> got the same impression during some of the rocket parts like when Slothrop
>> is talking to Katie about the rocket and she looks at him with pity or like
>> she knows something he doesn't. I don't remember the scene exactly and don't
>> have a copy with me but it's at the casino Hermann Goering. I was thinking
>> Slothrop possibly could have said something else more personal but the
>> readers "hear" the dubbed voice. I don't know if he was going for anything
>> like this- I doubt it. But I liked the idea that passages of Gravity's
>> Rainbow had been bleeped out and dubbed over. Like a confidential CIA file
>> if they not only marked over words with a black marker but added new words
>> on top.
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>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org <owner-pynchon-l at waste.org> on behalf of
>> Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:16:50 PM
>> To: ish mailian; pynchon -l
>> Subject: Re: Pynchon's censored file aesthetic
>> 
>> TP's choices in naming things and people are so right they can cause you to
>> quiver.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Rocket and the Whale: A Critical Study of Pynchon’s Use of Melville
>>> Author:Levitsky, Zhana
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:29 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Whiteness of visitations from Above, from Below, and later the
>>>> White Finality and the whiteness of the rocket/whale....our postmodern
>>>> friends used to call this symbolic use over-determined and our
>>>> mathematical friends might call it an overdetermined system.
>>>> 
>>>> The death and life and grace configurations are infinite at least.
>>>> 
>>>> God's Grace can do wonders.
>>>> 
>>>> In Catholicism, it is held that the purpose of this visit was to bring
>>>> divine grace to both Elizabeth and her unborn child. Even though he
>>>> was still in his mother's womb, John became aware of the presence of
>>>> Christ, and leapt for joy as he was cleansed from original sin and
>>>> filled with divine grace. Elizabeth also responded and recognised the
>>>> presence of Jesus, and thus Mary exercised her function as
>>>> mediatrixbetween God and man for the first time.[1]
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  Holweck, Frederick. Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The
>>>> Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 15. New York: Robert Appleton Company,
>>>> 1912. 11 Oct. 2013
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Correction: Looking it up, I find "visitation" in Catholic parlance
>>>>> refers
>>>>> to Mary's visit to her cousin Elizabeth, mother to be of John the
>>>>> Baptist.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> YES!....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "White Visitation" a code name, always appearing in double quotes,
>>>>>>> stands
>>>>>>> for something secretive, namely  this inter-governmental long-named
>>>>>>> organization whose purpose is supposed be to try out any outlandish
>>>>>>> scheme
>>>>>>> anyone can think of that might possible contribute to winning the
>>>>>>> war.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The name itself sounds plausibly like a Catholic hospital or convent.
>>>>>>> Angel Gabriel appearing to the BVM.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Atticus Pinecone
>>>>>>> <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Like a symbol?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As for technique, is it far fetched to think he used Burroughs's cut
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> style? They have similarly snarled syntax.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 8:55 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ok so I made a pretentious title for this post which is pretty
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> just a random idea/question. When I was reading Gravity's Rainbow
>>>>>>>>> I got the
>>>>>>>>> feeling that some of his proper names particularly The White
>>>>>>>>> Visitation were
>>>>>>>>> like, the possible term escapes me, words inserted after the true
>>>>>>>>> name had
>>>>>>>>> been erased. Like if you are listening to a recording of someone
>>>>>>>>> talk and he
>>>>>>>>> keeps mention someone but when he says that name a computer voice
>>>>>>>>> chimes in.
>>>>>>>>> God this is the worst attempt at explanation. But anyways I was
>>>>>>>>> wondering if
>>>>>>>>> maybe this idea could connect to Pynchon's "layering" technique of
>>>>>>>>> writing.
>>>>>>>>> Any thought?
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