Asymmetrical Polarization

Fri Dec 15 15:28:59 CST 2017

Name one example of one shit a toilet has kept from coming out of a human
and into the world.

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I haven't been around long enough to know much about this plister—but I
> don't spin for spinning's sake.
>
> And my real life toilet clogs at the slightest provocation, such as
> walking past it or trying to flush an orange—so my sympathies.
>
> On Dec 15, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which is why I apologized. If you are not an infamous plister from the
> past then no attempt to discredit. I answered straight.
>
> And, I don't know what you think of him, but Ish Mailian, when he posts,
> adds lots of good shit and doesn't stir it just for shits' sake.
> (written right after unclogging my toilet, just fyi)
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think accusing me of being Ish Mailian (or whomever) is an attempt to
>> discredit me (or something). Which is fine.
>>
>> And however you cut it, the NYT remains the paper of record, for better
>> or worse & does have buried in it some real investigative journalism. But
>> again, that's comparing apples to torn apart Iraqi children. And when
>> that's given due consideration, I feel feelings that are hard to describe.
>>
>> Feelings that make the current media circus small peanuts.
>>
>> Apologies for letting my composure slip.
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "NOT genuine" of course. Sorry.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And I apologize publicly for suggesting your pseudonym was
>>> genuine---that is, not an infamous personage from the Plist past.
>>> Apology is only good IF you are not that person.
>>>
>>> Only other thing to say, is there are/is lots of media digging out the
>>> truth these days. Probably more than ever. Not one "exact' media
>>> in my list but many.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think your question has no answer as you frame it.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm dead serious.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bad far outweighs the good. You all—I hope—recall which wars and
>>>>> military actions began with lies. Lies in the exact media I "must not be
>>>>> following". And I know you have a vague, if not good, idea of the civilian
>>>>> death counts—so I'm really asking, what's one example of journalism that
>>>>> offsets one million dead civilians?
>>>>>
>>>>> 100,000? One thousand? 43?
>>>>>
>>>>> I sense that people don't like having their heads yanked out of the
>>>>> sand.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm not saying there aren't any—but I sense the books don't come
>>>>> close to balancing.
>>>>>
>>>>> So with that framing, I hope you don't still think my question is a
>>>>> waste.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know the problems with answering your question Atticus? Some on
>>>>> this list will start denying any real examples by org associationism--
>>>>> the new Left McCarthyites.
>>>>>
>>>>>  If you don't already know SOME answers, then you
>>>>> must not be following anywhere where one can get such examples.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, although there is a suspicion re your pseudonym and a suggestion
>>>>> that you are more shit-stirrer--I used to know the Yiddish---than
>>>>> interested, if you genuinely want some answers, write me offlist. Morris
>>>>> and lots of others who know answers don't need to waste their time.
>>>>> Nor I mine, unless.....
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't already know some investigative reporting that
>>>>> has brought down generals, won a Senate race, revealed the Stuxnet
>>>>> attack, reported on intelligence secrecies and actions
>>>>> up until one court decision away from a long prison sentence, brought
>>>>> us Romney's 47% tape and, of course, all the being-proven truths about
>>>>> the Russian attacks on the US election, then ....
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't doubt it. Just asking for examples...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's nonsense. There's a lot of good journalism out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America & American journalism have relatively short & interwoven
>>>>>>> histories... What are the positive journalism examples? We can all name
>>>>>>> absolutely catastrophic negative ones...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost seems like the way NYC & Boston are built on landfill...
>>>>>>> America is built on lies & slander...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The centrism of Bothsiderism ultimately comes not from an interest
>>>>>>> in truth, or any other ideology, but in a desire to not offend people so as
>>>>>>> to keep selling ads. If right-wingers move right, so does the center. It's
>>>>>>> relative positioning. But a lot of journalists see it as a profound
>>>>>>> philosophical commitment essential to journalism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mostly agree with you take.  But the "centrist voices" of
>>>>>>>> Bothsiderism has nothing to do with actual centrism (like truthiness has no
>>>>>>>> relation to truth).  There are such things as facts.  As the Right becomes
>>>>>>>> ever more extreme, the "center" is no longer near any rational center
>>>>>>>> (asymmetry).  Norms of discourse and behavior are obliterated by the Right
>>>>>>>> as they embrace all manner of evil.  This has been our ever-increasing
>>>>>>>> political reality for decades.  Trump has pushed it so far that it can no
>>>>>>>> longer be ignored, and that's a good thing, I think...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bothsiderism is a result of previous media environments where the
>>>>>>>>> fixed costs of running a local newspaper or TV station are high and there
>>>>>>>>> are network effects (e.g., people want to advertise where the viewers are),
>>>>>>>>> so for business reasons it made sense for outlets to adopt centrist voices
>>>>>>>>> that don't offend anyone, letting them sell more advertisements. You can
>>>>>>>>> call this whoredom if you want, but it's the function of letting the market
>>>>>>>>> function. It makes less sense now because the internet makes it so much
>>>>>>>>> cheaper to publish, and that has led to a proliferation of outlets
>>>>>>>>> (although not as much in local news, which still has substantial fixed
>>>>>>>>> costs of newsgathering that deters entry). FOX News has made a lot of money
>>>>>>>>> by focusing on right-wing viewers, and leaving everyone else to other
>>>>>>>>> outlets. Google and Facebook have made far more money by giving people a
>>>>>>>>> way to find what they want to hear, unfortunately in news as well as a lot
>>>>>>>>> of other things. If only someone could figure out a way to make money in
>>>>>>>>> the pursuit of truth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol
>>>>>>>>>> arization-is-asymmetric-and-conservatives-are-worse/373044/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Bothsiderism is a result of media whoredom.  Ratings over
>>>>>>>>>> truth (and morality).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Republicans are the real problem, on many levels.  Trump has
>>>>>>>>>> pushed this reality to the forefront of everyone's consciousness, except
>>>>>>>>>> for the Walking Dead.  We should thank him for that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>>
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