Too bad, so sad.

[David Morris]

The Trumpian backlash that we are now living through is simple proof that
he pushed our national envelope past a lot of expectations. Lovers of the
perfect always end up shitting in the punch bowl.  JT is chief in that
regard.

David Morris

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On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am both a fan and a critic of his too. And I suspect he would say the
> same, and would acknowledge that he made some mistakes. I think there were
> certainly times when he would have been happy to preside over more radical
> reform, but we elect a President, not a Philosopher King. For example, I
> suspect he would personally have favored a larger stimulus bill, and a
> leftier ACA, but in both cases he was constrained by the need to win over
> the marginal Senator. On the other hand, you can criticize him for not
> doing more to reframe things, to push that last necessary Senator. And he
> built an organization (O4A) that had the potential to impel much more
> social change, and then once it got him elected he lost interest in it and
> it devolved into spammy requests for donations.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> There are some good things. He put the brakes on torture.  I don’t think
>> much of the Affordable Care Act but it was an improvement for a lot of
>> people. It just seems obvious that we are living in times when larger
>> changes are needed. In his first presidential campaign he sounded like
>> someone who knew that. When he hired his cabinet I felt betrayed. When he
>> murdered Alaki’s son he joined the ranks of the war criminals. I like him
>> as a person and often as a speaker, but regard him as a failure as a leader
>> for the needs of his time.
>>
>> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Maybe it's not all black and white, and Obama did some good things and
>> also some bad things. Like, he wasn't perfect, but he could have done worse.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Obama never cast a vote against the war authorization. He said he
>> "would have" voted against it , which is rather different ( this was why I
>> voted for him in 2008). He did however vote aginst a war fundng bill that
>> had no timetable for troop withdrawal. Apparently “mental mistakes” were
>> made by Kohut as well as Tracy. I stand by  my core arguments.
>> >   Generalized statements like “you have never been clear on what a
>> President did and could not do” are your own noxious opinions. I already
>> cut you out of my facebook page because of such insults. Try using some
>> journalistic facts since you say you are so fond of them.
>> > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, but more of your mental mistakes in clear visibility.
>> > >
>> > > Obama voted against that war and he, alone could not stop the
>> funding...
>> > > therefore he as you do always stand condemned with a generalized
>> group you despise...
>> > > You have never been clear on what a President did and could not do.
>> > >
>> > > mark
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> > > Sorry, but this is an oversimplification. The majority of Democrats
>> supported the authorization to war sought by the mass killer  and torturer
>> W. They , including Obama , did not use the power of the purse to deny
>> funding for this war even when it far supassed W’s phony estimate for the
>> cost to the taxpayers.
>> > >   When Obama inherited the wars he increased spending in Afghanistan,
>> increased drone attacks killing thousands of civilians, allowed the
>> corruption in Iraq to continue, started a war in Libya and armed and
>> financed the Salafists in Syria. That is what decent journalism shows.
>> > >  The militarization of the US is bi partisan.
>> > > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>> • Third: Preznit Dubya and his criminal administration
>> constructed this entire wasteful, Satanic enterprise upon a foundation of
>> propaganda, forgery, and outright lies. There is no valid ethical, moral or
>> legal justification for it, no matter how "easy" the task might eventually
>> turn out to seem… relatively speaking.
>> > >
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