Too bad, so sad.

[Joseph Tracy]

I have lots of friends and 2 family members who work hard but cannot afford the affordable care act. You can hold your breath a long time before I will do back flips over that. I have a hard time with the core idea of forking over citizens bodies to private industry. We need medicare for all. 
> On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> "I don't think much of The Affordable Care Act but it was an improvement" FOR MILLIONS! Never before in the history of the richest country in the world had
> such a bill been passed!...No Dem President ever; of course no Repub even tries,  who of course are almost "just as bad" in your political judgment...
> The bill that millions have now protested FOR and saved it....
> MILLIONS now with health care.....tens of thousands of Americans not dying every year.....
> and a redistributionist bill----some taxes inside for the higher earners subsidizes the poorer...
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> and more.
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> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> A nice clear summary statement showing what Morris meant. "You felt betrayed over the cabinet???"...No sense, never, of the art of the possible and the mastery of it
> he did....
> Once again, you want a "leader' who could never (have) exist (ed) and exhibit no possible way of comparing to the other possible choice...
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> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> There are some good things. He put the brakes on torture.  I don’t think much of the Affordable Care Act but it was an improvement for a lot of people. It just seems obvious that we are living in times when larger changes are needed. In his first presidential campaign he sounded like someone who knew that. When he hired his cabinet I felt betrayed. When he murdered Alaki’s son he joined the ranks of the war criminals. I like him as a person and often as a speaker, but regard him as a failure as a leader for the needs of his time.
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> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Maybe it's not all black and white, and Obama did some good things and also some bad things. Like, he wasn't perfect, but he could have done worse.
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> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > Obama never cast a vote against the war authorization. He said he "would have" voted against it , which is rather different ( this was why I voted for him in 2008). He did however vote aginst a war fundng bill that had no timetable for troop withdrawal. Apparently “mental mistakes” were made by Kohut as well as Tracy. I stand by  my core arguments.
> >   Generalized statements like “you have never been clear on what a President did and could not do” are your own noxious opinions. I already cut you out of my facebook page because of such insults. Try using some journalistic facts since you say you are so fond of them.
> > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Sorry, but more of your mental mistakes in clear visibility.
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> > > Obama voted against that war and he, alone could not stop the funding...
> > > therefore he as you do always stand condemned with a generalized group you despise...
> > > You have never been clear on what a President did and could not do.
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> > > mark
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> > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > > Sorry, but this is an oversimplification. The majority of Democrats supported the authorization to war sought by the mass killer  and torturer W. They , including Obama , did not use the power of the purse to deny funding for this war even when it far supassed W’s phony estimate for the cost to the taxpayers.
> > >   When Obama inherited the wars he increased spending in Afghanistan, increased drone attacks killing thousands of civilians, allowed the corruption in Iraq to continue, started a war in Libya and armed and financed the Salafists in Syria. That is what decent journalism shows.
> > >  The militarization of the US is bi partisan.
> > > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >>> • Third: Preznit Dubya and his criminal administration constructed this entire wasteful, Satanic enterprise upon a foundation of propaganda, forgery, and outright lies. There is no valid ethical, moral or legal justification for it, no matter how "easy" the task might eventually turn out to seem… relatively speaking.
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