Too bad, so sad.

[Mark Thibodeau]

Thank you, Robert, for injecting a bit of knowledge-based inoculation into
this group, to help get rid of the leftier-than-thou whataboutism virus
that seems to have infected it of late.

YOPJ

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't like what Ajit Pai has done any more than the next person, but
> faulting Obama for it is not right. With many federal commissions,
> including both the FCC and the FTC but also others, the commissioners are
> appointed by the President with Senate confirmation, but need to be
> distributed among the parties to avoid total partisan control. So, for
> example, to quote from ft.gov, the FTC is headed by five Commissioners,
> nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, each serving a
> seven-year term. No more than three Commissioners can be of the same
> political party. The President chooses one Commissioner to act as Chairman. This
> puts every President in the position of having to appoint commissioners
> from the the other party and needing commissioners to be confirmed by the
> Senate. I believe the FCC works similarly. As a result, the appointment of
> someone like Pai was not Obama's unilateral decision, but rather the result
> of a customary negotiation between Obama and Senate Republicans to find
> someone mutually acceptable.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> You still buy all that bs. The team of rivals. Yea like appointing Ajit
>> Pai to the FCC. Good move Obama. so subtle, so brilliant. Or maybe just Too
>> bad so sad.
>>
>> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A nice clear summary statement showing what Morris meant. "You felt
>> betrayed over the cabinet???"...No sense, never, of the art of the possible
>> and the mastery of it
>> > he did....
>> > Once again, you want a "leader' who could never (have) exist (ed) and
>> exhibit no possible way of comparing to the other possible choice...
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> > There are some good things. He put the brakes on torture.  I don’t
>> think much of the Affordable Care Act but it was an improvement for a lot
>> of people. It just seems obvious that we are living in times when larger
>> changes are needed. In his first presidential campaign he sounded like
>> someone who knew that. When he hired his cabinet I felt betrayed. When he
>> murdered Alaki’s son he joined the ranks of the war criminals. I like him
>> as a person and often as a speaker, but regard him as a failure as a leader
>> for the needs of his time.
>> >
>> > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Maybe it's not all black and white, and Obama did some good things
>> and also some bad things. Like, he wasn't perfect, but he could have done
>> worse.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> > > Obama never cast a vote against the war authorization. He said he
>> "would have" voted against it , which is rather different ( this was why I
>> voted for him in 2008). He did however vote aginst a war fundng bill that
>> had no timetable for troop withdrawal. Apparently “mental mistakes” were
>> made by Kohut as well as Tracy. I stand by  my core arguments.
>> > >   Generalized statements like “you have never been clear on what a
>> President did and could not do” are your own noxious opinions. I already
>> cut you out of my facebook page because of such insults. Try using some
>> journalistic facts since you say you are so fond of them.
>> > > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, but more of your mental mistakes in clear visibility.
>> > > >
>> > > > Obama voted against that war and he, alone could not stop the
>> funding...
>> > > > therefore he as you do always stand condemned with a generalized
>> group you despise...
>> > > > You have never been clear on what a President did and could not do.
>> > > >
>> > > > mark
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> > > > Sorry, but this is an oversimplification. The majority of Democrats
>> supported the authorization to war sought by the mass killer  and torturer
>> W. They , including Obama , did not use the power of the purse to deny
>> funding for this war even when it far supassed W’s phony estimate for the
>> cost to the taxpayers.
>> > > >   When Obama inherited the wars he increased spending in
>> Afghanistan, increased drone attacks killing thousands of civilians,
>> allowed the corruption in Iraq to continue, started a war in Libya and
>> armed and financed the Salafists in Syria. That is what decent journalism
>> shows.
>> > > >  The militarization of the US is bi partisan.
>> > > > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >>> • Third: Preznit Dubya and his criminal administration
>> constructed this entire wasteful, Satanic enterprise upon a foundation of
>> propaganda, forgery, and outright lies. There is no valid ethical, moral or
>> legal justification for it, no matter how "easy" the task might eventually
>> turn out to seem… relatively speaking.
>> > > >
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