The Purity Test (stop shitting in the punch bowl)

Tue Dec 19 16:15:06 CST 2017

A fine post, Mark.

The fact that ACA exists is our camel nose under the tent.

This travesty tax bill will be very short lived.

This Dem Wave election 2018 looks to be a Tsunami.

Ever the optimist,
David Morris

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:47 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Franklin Roosevelt, outside of historical understanding, does not prove
> that wrong.
> Read what so many progressives thought about his 'failures'. I urge all.
> Read about how so many thought his compromises to pass legislation were
> weak tea.
> Positive actions always look better when no one knows the perceived
> negatives.
> Obama's legacy will look like that even before the distance we have from
> Roosevelt in remembered memory.
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> Read The New New Deal by a writer who set out believing  that the stimulus
> was weak tea. He came away with the best book on  ALL
> that Obama's administration did---starting with working with Bush's team
> even before he was inaugurated on two important financial bills--
> and then, after showing how incredibly effective TARP and the stimulus
> bills were immediately--and then in time release, he went on to show
> how, perhaps like that guy referred to earlier re the internal net
> neutrality maneuvers, Obama crafted and chose folks to find ways to get
> appropriated
> money spent in stimulus-like ways.....and put a longtime DC guy, Jack Lew
> who knew the bureaucracy better'n anyone in DC--like Arendt and Pynchon, I
> say, not
> literally--who could earmark spending and even better, when he had to make
> social services cuts per the 'pay for' conditions of many bills and
> funding, he knew the zombie departments already doing nothing vital any
> longer for Americans and got their budgets killed as part of the deal.
>
> 34 million Americans got health care coverage under the ACA in the ONLY
> plan that would have passed. The only one. That MA state model
> of Romney's,with measurable cost controls is the ONLY ACA those blue dog
> Dems--remember them?--would finally vote for. I remember that
> voting well, that final turning.
>
> That is what leadership looks like; Making happen the art of the best
> possible, which is Morris's (and others) deep truth.
>
> A--and, almost no one around Obama wanted to push for the ACA in year
> one...perhaps the second most-gutsy---or third (after saving the American
> automobile
> industry) but he made them. As we all can know, had he not, it never would
> have passed. Damn gutsier and harder decision than many of Roosevelts, who
> could not
> get health care passed. many better summaries than this but I'm busy:
>
> FDR’s first attempt — failure to include in the Social Security Bill of
> 1935
> Next came Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), whose tenure (1933-1945) can be
> characterized by WWI, the Great Depression, and the New Deal, including
> the Social Security Bill. We might have thought the Great Depression would
> create the perfect conditions for passing compulsory health insurance in
> the US, but with millions out of work, unemployment insurance took
> priority followed by old age benefits. FDR’s Committee on Economic
> Security, the CES, feared that inclusion of health insurance in its bill,
> which was opposed by the AMA,would threaten the passage of the entire
> Social Security legislation. It was therefore excluded.
>
> FDR’s second attempt — Wagner Bill, National Health Act of 1939
> But there was one more push for national health insurance during FDR’s
> administration: The Wagner National Health Act of 1939. Though it never
> received FDR’s full support, the proposal grew out of his Tactical
> Committee on Medical Care, established in 1937. The essential elements of
> the technical committee’s reports were incorporated into Senator Wagner’s
> bill, the National Health Act of 1939, which gave general support for a
> national health program to be funded by federal grants to states and
> administered by states and localities. However, the 1938 election brought a
> conservative resurgence and any further innovations in social policy were
> extremely difficult. Most of the social policy legislation precedes 1938.
> Just as the AALL campaign ran into the declining forces of progressivism
> and then WWI, the movement for national health insurance in the 1930’s
> ran into the declining fortunes of the New Deal and then WWII.
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> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> I don’t accept this idea that good ideas can never win, and good people
>> will always lose . Franklin Roosevelt proves that wrong. Give people
>> something worth having  and fighting for and they will support you.
>>   Obama started with a majority and it seems to me he lost it when he
>> failed to deal with the reckless lawbreaking of the Banks in the house-loan
>> scam. His ACA turned out to be weak tea originally developed by Mitt Romney.
>>
>> I have not walked away from anything but wars of aggression and fossil
>> fuel addiction.. You can support them if you like, justify them if you
>> will. I will not.
>> > On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Anyone with a complaint about Obama from the left, which must include
>> most of us, would have been disappointed with a Bernie presidency too,
>> because any legislation he would have wanted to pass would have had to get
>> through a Senate and a House like the one that Obama dealt with for the
>> last six years, not the Congress of his first two years that passed most of
>> his legislative accomplishments. The choice is to take what's on the table
>> and keep working for more and better, or to walk away in disgust that
>> fellow citizens don't share our priorities.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Anyone who voted for anyone other than Hilary voted for Trump, and they
>> are assholes.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:04 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> > Obama had 8 years to put out fires. He started more instead. The punch
>> bowl is already full of shit and people know that. People did not vote for
>> Trump. They voted against Hillary. That is what the polls show and that is
>> what common sense says.
>> > > On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:54 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> https://first-draft.com/2017/12/19/im-done-with-your-doug-jones-feelings-too-internet/
>> > >
>> > > "People I know and love are suffering and will suffer while we
>> fantasize about having more than two parties, about not having to choose
>> between the arsonists and the (dumb, underfunded, likely corrupt) fire
>> brigade. Me and mine would like the fires out."
>> > >
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