Re: GR translation: lined up with the rooms’ diagonals

[Mike Jing]

That's exactly what I had in mind when I asked the original question. And I
believe that's what Jochen meant in his answer as well.


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
wrote:

> To my mine's eye, circling around and ling up with the room's diagonals
> are not incompatible. I draw an imaginary diagonal line and place the
> centres of the circles along this line.
>
> Arthur
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> One problem with the translation is that in Chinese, verbs do not have
>> participle forms (or even tenses, for that matter). So to translate the
>> Chinese back into English, it looks something like this:
>>
>> For 15 minutes, the two of them run all over the suite while screaming,
>> circle around staggeringly, line up with the rooms’ diagonals.
>>
>> Or, less literal and more generously:
>>
>> For 15 minutes, the two of them run all over the suite screaming,
>> circling around staggeringly, lining up with the rooms’ diagonals.
>>
>> Either way, it's slightly (or significantly, depending on how you look at
>> it) different from the original, and the confusion is somewhat amplified,
>> since "circling around" and "lining up" seem to be incompatible with each
>> other. Now, if confusion is the intention to begin with, it's probably fine
>> to just leave it as it is. In any case, the point may be moot since there
>> is no easy way of indicating the difference in participle forms without
>> making it unwieldy.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:25 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me that the comma is  a way  of insuring that the reference is
>>> not to the circles , but it could be to ‘staggering' or 'the two of them'.
>>> I still don’t get how you stagger around and line up with diagonals. There
>>> would, however,  be other ways of runnng all over around a suite than lined
>>> up with the diagonals,  like parrallel to the right angles or in circular
>>> or non geometric frenzy.
>>>  Perhaps he deliberately uses a confused  image to amplify the frantic
>>> state of the runners. The line has the effect for me of being a setup for
>>> the more directly comical line about Jamf’s celebrated molecule with the so
>>> called Pokler singularity. It sort of connects a crazed translogical state
>>> to the peculiarities of the drug. This fits with the translogical effects
>>> of the drug on Slothrop and hs predictive map.
>>>   I also connects the imipolex G to Pokler and his part in the
>>> swartzgerat.
>>>
>>> > On Dec 19, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Well, in simple grammar, the sentence works, doesn't it, if
>>> "staggering around in circles" were not there? So, "run screaming all over
>>> the suite" might be what is lined up with the room's diagonals?..but I
>>> don't know what that means, I guess...How else would one run around a suite
>>> but lined up with the diagonals if done 'all over' the suite....
>>> > ...until I see them staggering around in circles that are lined up,
>>> etc....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Mike Jing <
>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I have no idea. If you have anything in mind, I'd be glad to hear it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Why the comma after circles?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yes.
>>> >
>>> > 2017-12-19 20:09 GMT+01:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>> > V702.29-35, P716.26-32   For 15 minutes the two of them run screaming
>>> all over the suite, staggering around in circles, lined up with the rooms’
>>> diagonals. There is in Laszlo Jamf’s celebrated molecule a particular
>>> twist, the so-called “Pökler singularity,” occurring in a certain crippled
>>> indole ring, which later Oneirinists, academician and working professional
>>> alike, are generally agreed is responsible for the hallucinations which are
>>> unique to this drug.
>>> >
>>> > What does "lined up with the rooms’ diagonals" describe here? Does it
>>> refer to the circles?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Arthur
>
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