NP - Donnie does the Tu Quoque shuffle

[David Morris]

hahahahaha:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-dismisses-putin-criticism-america-not-so-innocent

Trump Brushes Off Concerns On Coziness With Putin: US Isn't 'So Innocent'
Either

"Do you respect Putin?" Fox's Bill O'Reilly asked Trump in a preview
<https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/828019230100426752> of the interview,
scheduled to air on Sunday afternoon.

"I do respect him," Trump replied.

"Do you? Why?" O'Reilly pressed.

"He's a leader of his country. I say it's better to get along with Russia
than not, and if Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a
major fight, and Islamic terrorism all over the world, major fight, that's
a good thing," Trump said. "Will I get along with him? I have no idea. It's
very possible I won't."

"He's a killer, though," O'Reilly interrupted. "Putin's a killer."

"A lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers," Trump said. "What, you
think our country's so innocent?"


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 3:28 AM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy Y'all,
>
>     Been a lot of talk on the list and elsewhere about journalism, Syria,
> fake news and the russian hackers & CIA, and oh so much more. Many have
> said: "Oh so you think the US is free of sin?" Now we see The Chump doing
> that rag. Love that Whataboutism.
>
> Do we need to rehearse and recount the sins and crimes of the land of the
> Free? Doesn't hurt. We could start with the colonies and work our way up to
> Wounded KNee, Ludlow and more. Sure of course we will mention Operation
> Condor, Paperclip and more. Agent Orange and Guantanamo will get their
> place in the recital of shame.
>
>   But let me ask you: do you think that that painful and terrible list is
> a proper rebuttle? Do you really think that US support (first on part of
> the government and then later by too many people) of regime change and more
> prohibits the US from complaint? Why can't we recognize the fallacy behind
> that logic? Would we say that the members who sit on the International
> Court of Justice can't hear cases against warlords or dictators given their
> own countries' past crimes?
>
> The judge who has blocked Chump's order offers a point of comparison; do
> you think something similar could happen in Russia? I think the folks who
> engage in the Tu Quoque argument should not just spend some time in Russia
> but also go talk to the Chechens. However, for a cheap primer you could
> watch the PBS documentary "Return of the Czar" - before you get any ideas,
> it posits how the US in the '90's could be said to be guilty for the rise
> of Putin. Another item to add to the list of shame.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhStxLABfMs
>
> No, Donnie, the US is not so innocent. And niether am I. But I still know
> how to discern a brute from someone who has behaved brutishly, a killer
> from someone who has killed. If you can't then we may be in for big trouble.
>
> ciao
> mc otis
>
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