Katje's peer

[Jesse Gooch]

I’m not sure where I fall in any of this aside for providing Bruno an outlet for something he’s getting blasted for some.  (David and Keith are right though).  I just thought it was funny.  I’ve read GR twice in its entirety and just opened it randomly and read for hours off and on for years now. (also listened to the audiobook a few times), and while not being anywhere near an expert, I usually feel like I have a grasp on the story and the characters.  However, sometimes there will be something somebody says about the book or a character or some aspect of the story (something legitimate) that lets me know how much more there is to it than what I’ve read.  That, however, is something I always take away from anything I read by Mr Pynchon:  No matter how hard you look at things, no matter what you think you know, you don’t really know fuck-all.
One never knows now does one now does one now does one.

From: <owner-pynchon-l at waste.org> on behalf of David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM
To: Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
Cc: Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>, Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>, Pynchon Mailing List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Subject: Re: Katje's peer

Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect some blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.

David Morris

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com<mailto:bruno.laze at gmail.com>> wrote:
Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my lurker status.
About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.


2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com<mailto:kbob42 at gmail.com>>:
I considered that, but thought my answer could use some explication...or maybe I just don't when to shut up!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com<mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com<mailto:kbob42 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you!

Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who come here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big fans of Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading and re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready at any time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g. all of the supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with details that can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a serious reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or, as would have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com<mailto:fqmorris at gmail.com>> wrote:
Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
David Morris


On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com<mailto:bruno.laze at gmail.com>> wrote:
It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always. Don't we all?
Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the soul and abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract concept of Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do you feel about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to what we feel, the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is trustworthy, is it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a soul."

Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...

2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...

David Morris

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
You have some reading to do.

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On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a threesome with Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like rats. She was then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and Slothrop?

Happy new year to you all!
Bruno

2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>:
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb

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