Katje's peer

Tue Jan 3 17:06:54 CST 2017

There's a fun parascience phenomenon called The Mandela Effect in
which sizeable groups of people remember some historical fact firmly
and conclusively one way even though they're wrong - ie a lot of
people distinctly recall the Nelson Mandela died during the 80s, even
though that's manifestly untrue. A lot remember the kids book The
Berenstein Bears being spelled The Berenstain Bears. Heaps of other
examples. (My favourite is the comedian Sinbad playing a genie in the
movie Shazam, which never happened although I kind of remember it).
Anyway, as pointless as the concept is, I'm sure there are plenty of
examples of people misremembering Pynchon, perhaps more than almost
any other writer. I have crystal images of scenes from his works that
upon re-reading never existed. Just recently we talked here about the
M&D scene in which Mason heatedly confronts the slave-driver, which
doesn't actually happen in the book, yeah?

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the usual Western rationality?
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too
>> deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect some
>> blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
>>
>> David Morris
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>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my
>>> lurker status.
>>> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being
>>> earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some explication...or
>>>> maybe I just don't when to shut up!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who come
>>>>>> here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big fans of
>>>>>> Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading and
>>>>>> re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready at any
>>>>>> time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g. all of the
>>>>>> supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
>>>>>> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious
>>>>>> responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with details that
>>>>>> can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a serious
>>>>>> reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or, as would
>>>>>> have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
>>>>>>>> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always.
>>>>>>>> Don't we all?
>>>>>>>> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to
>>>>>>>> jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the soul and
>>>>>>>> abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract concept of
>>>>>>>> Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do you feel
>>>>>>>> about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to what we feel,
>>>>>>>> the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is trustworthy, is
>>>>>>>> it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a soul."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have some reading to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory
>>>>>>>>>> fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a threesome with
>>>>>>>>>> Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like rats. She was
>>>>>>>>>> then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and
>>>>>>>>>> Slothrop?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Happy new year to you all!
>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
>>>>>>>>>>>
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