Katje's peer

Tue Jan 3 17:28:14 CST 2017

Wittgenstein self-refuted that Wittgenstein youth. 

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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Nietzsche defined it as Platonism. Derrida, as logocentrism. Regarding our discussion, the point may be synthesized in Plato's idea that what is Real never changes. Ambiguity, in this case, is less real/true than the ideal correspondence between language and the object it refers to (paraphrasing Wittgenstein, "An ideal objective language must have one unique word for each object in the world").
> That's deeply embodied in our mindset, maybe not just Western (that may be a stereotype).
> Furthermore, Plato says that we must keep away from falsity (ergo ambiguity).
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> 2017-01-03 16:49 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
>> What is the usual Western rationality? 
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>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect some blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
>>> 
>>> David Morris
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>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my lurker status.
>>>> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
>>>> 
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>>>> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
>>>>> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some explication...or maybe I just don't when to shut up!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who come here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big fans of Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading and re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready at any time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g. all of the supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts. 
>>>>>>> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with details that can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a serious reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or, as would have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
>>>>>>>>> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always. Don't we all? 
>>>>>>>>> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the soul and abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract concept of Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do you feel about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to what we feel, the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is trustworthy, is it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a soul."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> David Morris
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You have some reading to do.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a threesome with Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like rats. She was then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and Slothrop?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy new year to you all!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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