Katje's peer

Tue Jan 3 22:02:28 CST 2017

I'm not gunna jump that hoop.  You do the work.  The archives have GREAT GR
posts from three different GR group reads.  The WASTE search is a slog, but
full of great riches.  If GR wasn't subject to very rich rational analysis,
this list wouldn't have survived tis long.  That's why Bruno's statement
was so silly.

David Morris

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, SCB <sbryquer at rcn.com> wrote:

> Tell us David why you think it is flat wrong.
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> *To:* Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com
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> *Cc:* Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com
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> *Subject:* Re: Katje's peer
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> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too
> deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect some
> blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com
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> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my
> lurker status.
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> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being earnest
> if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
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> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com
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> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some explication...or
> maybe I just don't when to shut up!
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
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> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com
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> Thank you!
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> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who come
> here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big fans of
> Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading and
> re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready at any
> time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g. all of
> the supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
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> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious responses.
> On the other hand, questions that have to do with details that can, and
> only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a serious reading of
> the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or, as would have been
> better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
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> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
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> David Morris
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> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com
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> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
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> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always. Don't
> we all?
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> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to jazz.
> Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the soul and
> abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract concept of
> Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do you feel
> about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to what we
> feel, the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is
> trustworthy, is it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a
> soul."
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> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
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> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
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> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
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> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com
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> You have some reading to do.
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> Www.innergroovemusic.com
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com
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> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory fails
> me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a threesome with
> Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like rats. She
> was then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
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> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and Slothrop?
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> Happy new year to you all!
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> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net
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> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-
> resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
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