Katje's peer

Tue Jan 3 17:45:07 CST 2017

Gottfried plays Hansel to Katje's Gretel. Amiright?

Interestingly, the reason I first picked up Gravity's Rainbow has something
to do with misremembering. About nine years ago, a college professor gave
my class a one-sentence synopsis of the book: a man discovers that World
War II is a conspiracy to kill him. I would have to say the professor
misremembered the book but it does capture the scope of the story and the
paranoia. I purchased the book very shortly thereafter. The real story of
an American GI whose erection is apparently quantum entangled with German
rockets was even more fascinating. And, hey, maybe I don't have the book
quite right. I haven't read it since the first go-round. I'm listening to
the audiobook now in preparation for a more involved rereading.

(Also, I just joined the listserv. Let me know if I replied wrong or my
etiquette is wanting.)

On Jan 3, 2017 6:09 PM, "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a fun parascience phenomenon called The Mandela Effect in
> which sizeable groups of people remember some historical fact firmly
> and conclusively one way even though they're wrong - ie a lot of
> people distinctly recall the Nelson Mandela died during the 80s, even
> though that's manifestly untrue. A lot remember the kids book The
> Berenstein Bears being spelled The Berenstain Bears. Heaps of other
> examples. (My favourite is the comedian Sinbad playing a genie in the
> movie Shazam, which never happened although I kind of remember it).
> Anyway, as pointless as the concept is, I'm sure there are plenty of
> examples of people misremembering Pynchon, perhaps more than almost
> any other writer. I have crystal images of scenes from his works that
> upon re-reading never existed. Just recently we talked here about the
> M&D scene in which Mason heatedly confronts the slave-driver, which
> doesn't actually happen in the book, yeah?
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What is the usual Western rationality?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too
> >> deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect
> some
> >> blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my
> >>> lurker status.
> >>> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being
> >>> earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some
> explication...or
> >>>> maybe I just don't when to shut up!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who
> come
> >>>>>> here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big
> fans of
> >>>>>> Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading
> and
> >>>>>> re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready
> at any
> >>>>>> time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g.
> all of the
> >>>>>> supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
> >>>>>> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious
> >>>>>> responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with
> details that
> >>>>>> can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a
> serious
> >>>>>> reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or,
> as would
> >>>>>> have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
> >>>>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
> >>>>>>>> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as always.
> >>>>>>>> Don't we all?
> >>>>>>>> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to
> >>>>>>>> jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the
> soul and
> >>>>>>>> abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract
> concept of
> >>>>>>>> Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do
> you feel
> >>>>>>>> about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to
> what we feel,
> >>>>>>>> the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is
> trustworthy, is
> >>>>>>>> it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a soul."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You have some reading to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira <
> bruno.laze at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My memory
> >>>>>>>>>> fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a
> threesome with
> >>>>>>>>>> Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like
> rats. She was
> >>>>>>>>>> then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
> >>>>>>>>>> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and
> >>>>>>>>>> Slothrop?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Happy new year to you all!
> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg <robertberg5125 at comcast.net
> >:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-
> resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.innergroovemusic.com
> >
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>
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