Katje's peer

Tue Jan 3 18:05:10 CST 2017

My eyes would be forever indebted to my ears if I could only listen to a book.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Chase Carnot <chase.carnot at gmail.com> wrote:
> Gottfried plays Hansel to Katje's Gretel. Amiright?
>
> Interestingly, the reason I first picked up Gravity's Rainbow has something
> to do with misremembering. About nine years ago, a college professor gave my
> class a one-sentence synopsis of the book: a man discovers that World War II
> is a conspiracy to kill him. I would have to say the professor misremembered
> the book but it does capture the scope of the story and the paranoia. I
> purchased the book very shortly thereafter. The real story of an American GI
> whose erection is apparently quantum entangled with German rockets was even
> more fascinating. And, hey, maybe I don't have the book quite right. I
> haven't read it since the first go-round. I'm listening to the audiobook now
> in preparation for a more involved rereading.
>
> (Also, I just joined the listserv. Let me know if I replied wrong or my
> etiquette is wanting.)
>
> On Jan 3, 2017 6:09 PM, "John Bailey" <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There's a fun parascience phenomenon called The Mandela Effect in
>> which sizeable groups of people remember some historical fact firmly
>> and conclusively one way even though they're wrong - ie a lot of
>> people distinctly recall the Nelson Mandela died during the 80s, even
>> though that's manifestly untrue. A lot remember the kids book The
>> Berenstein Bears being spelled The Berenstain Bears. Heaps of other
>> examples. (My favourite is the comedian Sinbad playing a genie in the
>> movie Shazam, which never happened although I kind of remember it).
>> Anyway, as pointless as the concept is, I'm sure there are plenty of
>> examples of people misremembering Pynchon, perhaps more than almost
>> any other writer. I have crystal images of scenes from his works that
>> upon re-reading never existed. Just recently we talked here about the
>> M&D scene in which Mason heatedly confronts the slave-driver, which
>> doesn't actually happen in the book, yeah?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > What is the usual Western rationality?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Up to you, of course.  But when you say things like "The novel is too
>> >> deconstructive for the usual Western rationality,"  you should expect
>> >> some
>> >> blow-back, mostly because it is flat wrong.
>> >>
>> >> David Morris
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Didn't know amateur discussion was prohibited here. I'll go back to my
>> >>> lurker status.
>> >>> About being silly, sometimes I forget that most people avoid being
>> >>> earnest if it's not masked in irony, sarcasm, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-01-03 15:13 GMT-06:00 Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I considered that, but thought my answer could use some
>> >>>> explication...or
>> >>>> maybe I just don't when to shut up!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:10 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Just in case you misunderstood, I was asking Bruno, not you, Keith.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thank you!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Ok, here's another answer. Most, possibly all, of the people who
>> >>>>>> come
>> >>>>>> here, and have been here for a while, are here because we're big
>> >>>>>> fans of
>> >>>>>> Pynchon's work. That means we've all put a lot of time into reading
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> re-reading and discussing his work. Plenty of people here are ready
>> >>>>>> at any
>> >>>>>> time to jump into discussions of meaning and interpretation, e.g.
>> >>>>>> all of the
>> >>>>>> supportive response to Mike Jing's translation efforts.
>> >>>>>> Serious questions always, or usually, anyway, receive serious
>> >>>>>> responses. On the other hand, questions that have to do with
>> >>>>>> details that
>> >>>>>> can, and only in my humble opinion, should, be discovered by a
>> >>>>>> serious
>> >>>>>> reading of the text, are likely to be met with silly answers, or,
>> >>>>>> as would
>> >>>>>> have been better in the present case, on my part, no answer.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Are you trying to sound silly?  If so, good job!
>> >>>>>>> David Morris
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017, Bruno Nogueira <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It is very pleasing to fill gaps in memory with imagination!
>> >>>>>>>> But you are right, Keith. I have lots of reading to do, as
>> >>>>>>>> always.
>> >>>>>>>> Don't we all?
>> >>>>>>>> Even so, someone said that GR should be read the way we listen to
>> >>>>>>>> jazz. Maybe words (/the music sheet) aren't that important as the
>> >>>>>>>> soul and
>> >>>>>>>> abstract meaning (/the phenomenology of music). Our abstract
>> >>>>>>>> concept of
>> >>>>>>>> Katje may be more important than the referential details. How do
>> >>>>>>>> you feel
>> >>>>>>>> about her? I suspect that, regarding GR, if we don't listen to
>> >>>>>>>> what we feel,
>> >>>>>>>> the whole novel implodes (like jazz!): nothing narrated is
>> >>>>>>>> trustworthy, is
>> >>>>>>>> it? Like the old hippie said: "I don't have words. I have a
>> >>>>>>>> soul."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Katje is a spy? She works for whom? Us or Them?...
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2017-01-03 11:21 GMT-06:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah,  I don't remember things the way Bruno tells them...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> David Morris
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> You have some reading to do.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Bruno Nogueira
>> >>>>>>>>>> <bruno.laze at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Except that Katjer worked for the Germans, didn't she? My
>> >>>>>>>>>> memory
>> >>>>>>>>>> fails me---I remember one of her first episodes depicting a
>> >>>>>>>>>> threesome with
>> >>>>>>>>>> Blicero and Enzian, at the V2 shack, where they all lived like
>> >>>>>>>>>> rats. She was
>> >>>>>>>>>> then sent by Bliss to London, to spy on the White Visitation.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Btw, what is the relation between Pirate Prentice, Katje, and
>> >>>>>>>>>> Slothrop?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Happy new year to you all!
>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruno
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-01-02 16:53 GMT-06:00 Bob Berg
>> >>>>>>>>>> <robertberg5125 at comcast.net>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/teenager-nazi-armed-resistance-netherlands-876?utm_source=dmfb
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> -
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> www.innergroovemusic.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > www.innergroovemusic.com
>> >
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