NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He Did. (less bluster, more evidence)

Mon Jan 9 22:41:52 CST 2017

Are you a Truther?

On Monday, January 9, 2017, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

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> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:54 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
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> Either you or Laura tell me what "specifics" you want refuted or STFU.
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> Which statements of his on the clip do you specifically disagree with? (LK)
> The question was addressed to you. Turning it around is kind of lazy.
> as to actual refutations of government claims by a cyber security expert
> https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/the-u-s-government-
> thinks-thousands-of-russian-hackers-are-reading-my-blog-they-arent/
> <https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/the-u-s-government-thinks-thousands-of-russian-hackers-are-reading-my-blog-they-arent/>
>
> Your digital signatures crap sounds a lot like Truther crap.  Are you a
> Truther?  You sound like one.  If so, you lost me @ go.  Talk about info
> bubbles!
>
> Keep going with these razor sharp darts of  reason and logic. you are
> bound to hit something.
>
>
> David Morris
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2017, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brook7 at sover.net');>> wrote:
> Actually the Intercept( the digital journal edited by Greenwald) has gone
> into more detail about the quality of the allegations and their digital
> signature than anyone I have read.( a list of articles can be provided)
> Laura asked you to address specifics but I hear only louder repetition. As
> for Obama , there are many reasons to distrust him and that mistrust has
> been articulated by  respectable black intellectuals also.  Also it was not
> just Republicans projecting the nonsense about WMD. The vote on the Iraq
> war was bipartisan with Hillary as a decisive voice.
>   The fact that Trump is obnoxious and dangerous simply does not mean
> credible evidence has been provided that Russia was decisive in the
> election. The claims are unspecific; they were  made by known liars,  and
> they need to be examined by neutral internet experts.
>
> One of my concerns is that this 'Russia did it’ story becomes an excuse to
> ignore the far more obvious and serious flaws in our electoral process like
> the 75,000 votes in Detroit discounted because the voting machines can’t
> read what can easily be read by humans, the long lines in black districts
> etc.  Sadly, when Jill Stein challenged the process in Detroit plenty of
> Trump lawyers showed up for the recount but few to no lawyers from the DNC.
>
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> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 9:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
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> > All Greenwald says in this interview is "Don't believe [anything] that
> you hear from US intelligence."  No more than that.  We know Bush lied us
> into Iraq, but do we believe Obama is lying us into believing that Russia
> hacked the election for Trump?  The implied symmetry is crap.
> >
> > Why do you give him more credence than Obama?
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > As a courageous investigative journalist, do you think Greenwald's now
> become a mouthpiece for Putin merely because Russia cagily gave his past
> source Snowden asylum? Is that really all it takes to buy his collusion? Or
> is there some other reason for his alleged bias that you're speaking of.
> Which statements of his on the clip do you specifically disagree with?
> >
> > LK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 5:07 PM
> > To: "kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>"
> > Cc: P-list
> > Subject: Re: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He
> Did.
> >
> > Nice try to paint your stance as beleaguered minority one. But the point
> is that Greenwald is not unbiased when it comes to Russia.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:04 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > Is there any way to dissent from orthodoxy without being called a
> lunatic, a dupe or an axe-grinder?
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 5:00 PM
> > To: "kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>"
> > Cc: P-list
> > Subject: Re: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He
> Did.
> >
> > Greenwald is NOT a reliable source in this case.  His axe grinding is as
> obvious as hell.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:55 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > As a Pynchon reader, I can simultaneously hold two ideas in my brain,
> one of which is supported and one of which is not supported by the liberal
> establishment: 1. Trump is a horror; and 2. Putin wasn't responsible for
> his election.
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/us/greenwald-intel-report-reliable-cnntv/
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 4:35 PM
> > To: P-list
> > Subject: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He Did.
> >
> > Thomas Eckhardt was oh so concerned about the Ukraine.  Not that it was
> being annexed by Russia, but that some of those wanting freedom from Russia
> were nazis.  Now the US is being annexed by nazis with the help of Russia.
> Where is his concern now?
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/did-putin-
> swing-election-trump-course-he-did
> >
> > Given how close the election was, there's a pretty good chance that
> Putin's campaign of cyber-chaos had enough oomph to swing things all by
> itself.
> >
> > I'm a little surprised this hasn't produced more panic. In the United
> States I understand why it hasn't: Democrats don't want to sound like sore
> losers and Republicans don't care as long as their guy won. But what about
> the rest of the world?
> >
> >
> >
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