NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He Did. (less bluster, more evidence)

Mon Jan 9 23:38:13 CST 2017

Nope.

What cogent or relative statements does Greenwald offer to dispute the
Intelligence report Obama cites?  It is that simple.

David Morris

On Monday, January 9, 2017, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

>
> On Jan 9, 2017, at 10:54 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Either you or Laura tell me what "specifics" you want refuted or STFU.
>
>
> Which statements of his on the clip do you specifically disagree with? (LK)
> The question was addressed to you. Turning it around is kind of lazy.
> as to actual refutations of government claims by a cyber security expert
> https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/the-u-s-government-
> thinks-thousands-of-russian-hackers-are-reading-my-blog-they-arent/
> <https://theintercept.com/2017/01/04/the-u-s-government-thinks-thousands-of-russian-hackers-are-reading-my-blog-they-arent/>
>
> Your digital signatures crap sounds a lot like Truther crap.  Are you a
> Truther?  You sound like one.  If so, you lost me @ go.  Talk about info
> bubbles!
>
> Keep going with these razor sharp darts of  reason and logic. you are
> bound to hit something.
>
>
> David Morris
>
> On Monday, January 9, 2017, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brook7 at sover.net');>> wrote:
> Actually the Intercept( the digital journal edited by Greenwald) has gone
> into more detail about the quality of the allegations and their digital
> signature than anyone I have read.( a list of articles can be provided)
> Laura asked you to address specifics but I hear only louder repetition. As
> for Obama , there are many reasons to distrust him and that mistrust has
> been articulated by  respectable black intellectuals also.  Also it was not
> just Republicans projecting the nonsense about WMD. The vote on the Iraq
> war was bipartisan with Hillary as a decisive voice.
>   The fact that Trump is obnoxious and dangerous simply does not mean
> credible evidence has been provided that Russia was decisive in the
> election. The claims are unspecific; they were  made by known liars,  and
> they need to be examined by neutral internet experts.
>
> One of my concerns is that this 'Russia did it’ story becomes an excuse to
> ignore the far more obvious and serious flaws in our electoral process like
> the 75,000 votes in Detroit discounted because the voting machines can’t
> read what can easily be read by humans, the long lines in black districts
> etc.  Sadly, when Jill Stein challenged the process in Detroit plenty of
> Trump lawyers showed up for the recount but few to no lawyers from the DNC.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 2017, at 9:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> > All Greenwald says in this interview is "Don't believe [anything] that
> you hear from US intelligence."  No more than that.  We know Bush lied us
> into Iraq, but do we believe Obama is lying us into believing that Russia
> hacked the election for Trump?  The implied symmetry is crap.
> >
> > Why do you give him more credence than Obama?
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > As a courageous investigative journalist, do you think Greenwald's now
> become a mouthpiece for Putin merely because Russia cagily gave his past
> source Snowden asylum? Is that really all it takes to buy his collusion? Or
> is there some other reason for his alleged bias that you're speaking of.
> Which statements of his on the clip do you specifically disagree with?
> >
> > LK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 5:07 PM
> > To: "kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>"
> > Cc: P-list
> > Subject: Re: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He
> Did.
> >
> > Nice try to paint your stance as beleaguered minority one. But the point
> is that Greenwald is not unbiased when it comes to Russia.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:04 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > Is there any way to dissent from orthodoxy without being called a
> lunatic, a dupe or an axe-grinder?
> >
> > Laura
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 5:00 PM
> > To: "kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>"
> > Cc: P-list
> > Subject: Re: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He
> Did.
> >
> > Greenwald is NOT a reliable source in this case.  His axe grinding is as
> obvious as hell.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:55 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelber at mindspring.com');>> wrote:
> > As a Pynchon reader, I can simultaneously hold two ideas in my brain,
> one of which is supported and one of which is not supported by the liberal
> establishment: 1. Trump is a horror; and 2. Putin wasn't responsible for
> his election.
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/08/us/greenwald-intel-report-reliable-cnntv/
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Morris
> > Sent: Jan 9, 2017 4:35 PM
> > To: P-list
> > Subject: NP - Did Putin Swing the Election to Trump? Of Course He Did.
> >
> > Thomas Eckhardt was oh so concerned about the Ukraine.  Not that it was
> being annexed by Russia, but that some of those wanting freedom from Russia
> were nazis.  Now the US is being annexed by nazis with the help of Russia.
> Where is his concern now?
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/did-putin-
> swing-election-trump-course-he-did
> >
> > Given how close the election was, there's a pretty good chance that
> Putin's campaign of cyber-chaos had enough oomph to swing things all by
> itself.
> >
> > I'm a little surprised this hasn't produced more panic. In the United
> States I understand why it hasn't: Democrats don't want to sound like sore
> losers and Republicans don't care as long as their guy won. But what about
> the rest of the world?
> >
> >
> >
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