Grace again. Misc.

[David Morris]

If Free Will replaces Grace, then it is it's equal, not its opposite.

David Morris

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:27 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Now THAT'S an answer I did not expect---nor really know (although I know
> some of that shit from that tradition).
> Another theologian rendered into the dustbin of churchyards because of
> Augustine's dominance.
>
> A heretic, P's tradition. One might say a theological preterite,
> analogously speaking? As Bailey alludes, and Morris fills in:
> a kind of theological shlemiel, maybe? Profane Pelagius.
>
> I'm going to suggest that as Pynchon transformed the concept of Grace
> within the religious tradition, for him
> in the fiction, it became like "the free will" of the cosmos---which might
> all be predetermined, of course, per your observation---
> when Lew experienced it unexpectedly.....when Against the Day ends....
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In the way back, Pelagius (St Agustine's antagonist) thought we didn't
>> need Grace--that our free will was sufficient to overcome sin. So, the
>> opposite of Grace is Free Will.  Which science now says doesn't exist.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From the wayback (but eternal?) religious uses, the opposite might be
>>> damnation.
>>>
>>> What might it be in Pynchon's transformation of the meaning of the word?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are the native speaker, Mark, but I would say it's bullshit if you
>>>> don't provide context. What kind of grace? You have disgrace, you have
>>>> clumsiness, I'm sure you have more opposites of grace.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-07-29 21:11 GMT+02:00 Erik T. Burns <eburns at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I suggest "trump"
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: ‎7/‎29/‎2017 20:06
>>>>> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>> Subject: Grace again. Misc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gracelessness is an absence of grace, but the English language lacks
>>>>> a word for the opposite of grace.--Cass Sunstein, very recent essay.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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