Grace again. Misc.

[Mark Kohut]

In Calvinism and other religious traditions, grace gets earned--or shown--
by human free will choices.

if grace is not earned or shown-- by free will human choices, then grace as
Pynchon uses it, is unearned, totally unexpected (by Lew and in the text)
and is somehow a function of the cosmos. Chance or otherwise. No?

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:41 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> If Free Will replaces Grace, then it is it's equal, not its opposite.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:27 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now THAT'S an answer I did not expect---nor really know (although I know
>> some of that shit from that tradition).
>> Another theologian rendered into the dustbin of churchyards because of
>> Augustine's dominance.
>>
>> A heretic, P's tradition. One might say a theological preterite,
>> analogously speaking? As Bailey alludes, and Morris fills in:
>> a kind of theological shlemiel, maybe? Profane Pelagius.
>>
>> I'm going to suggest that as Pynchon transformed the concept of Grace
>> within the religious tradition, for him
>> in the fiction, it became like "the free will" of the cosmos---which
>> might all be predetermined, of course, per your observation---
>> when Lew experienced it unexpectedly.....when Against the Day ends....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In the way back, Pelagius (St Agustine's antagonist) thought we didn't
>>> need Grace--that our free will was sufficient to overcome sin. So, the
>>> opposite of Grace is Free Will.  Which science now says doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the wayback (but eternal?) religious uses, the opposite might be
>>>> damnation.
>>>>
>>>> What might it be in Pynchon's transformation of the meaning of the
>>>> word?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are the native speaker, Mark, but I would say it's bullshit if you
>>>>> don't provide context. What kind of grace? You have disgrace, you have
>>>>> clumsiness, I'm sure you have more opposites of grace.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-07-29 21:11 GMT+02:00 Erik T. Burns <eburns at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest "trump"
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: ‎7/‎29/‎2017 20:06
>>>>>> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Grace again. Misc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gracelessness is an absence of grace, but the English language lacks
>>>>>> a word for the opposite of grace.--Cass Sunstein, very recent essay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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