Not P but Disinformation ?

Sun Jul 30 13:01:23 CDT 2017

Notice the non-sequitor like a gun on the private dick's desk?
"Did you really intend to shoot me?", said
the dame who wanted to talk....

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So you really believe that Trump's military strike on Syria was justified?
> Although his advisors obviously tried to stop him?
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> 2017-07-30 19:31 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
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>> He was NEVER ignored. He was---and still is---the legendary Sy Hersh, who
>> helped many of today's top investigative reporters---and the editors who
>> use their work--be as
>> relentless in getting to the truth(s) as they want to be and are.
>>
>> The New Yorker, who had first rights to Hersh's work not long ago and, if
>> you have been a steady reader, loved his and similar reporting, going back
>> to Hershey's *Hiroshima* and Jonathon Schell's *The Fate of the Earth* (different
>> than Hersh's work but simpatico) and HERSH'S WORK in The New Yorker since
>> his legend-making Vietnam and Cambodia reporting--and others I can't
>> remember---and I'm not gonna look up. The New Yorker, legendarily among the
>> finest edited and fact-checked magazines ever,  stopped taking these recent
>> pieces from Hersh---and refuse to give a reason. As kind-hearted Paul
>> Mackin suggests, Remnick is NOT going to diss him publicly, evidently
>> kindness in his public heart too.....but, the reporting did not hold up,
>> all know, and they could not publish it---out of reputational
>> self-interest, if for no other reason.
>>
>> When it went next to the Washington Post, they too turned it down...Marty
>> Baron, who will perhaps go down in journalistic history as even a better
>> managing editor and cultivator
>> of great reporters than Ben Bradlee,---who would have gone to jail
>> happily for Sy in the old days,  quietly said, "we had trouble with the
>> sourcing".......scores of readers and fact- checkers of Hersh's recent
>> reporting say: mostly dicey single-sourcing. Dicey in that he, Hersh, heard
>> from unreliable narrators of supposed 'facts"....when Seymour  heard the
>> horrible truths of My Lai and re Cambodia and Nixon--Kissinger's secrets,
>> just as examples, he was getting *truth.*....now, few believe he
>> is......he cannot get the journalistic minimums of two independent sources
>> anymore and no one can confirm independently much of what he reports.....
>> ASIDE, I love how Marty Baron had the fact that they had NINE (9) sources
>> for their story that brought down Gen Flynn put RIGHT INTO the first lines
>> of the story....THAT'S how right he wanted to be.......then SY went to the
>> very left and European and terrif mag,---look up David Bromwich on Pres
>> Trump---THE LONDON REVIEW OF BOOKS, known for more lax fact-checking, no
>> history and resources BECAUSE THEY PUBLISH LITTLE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING
>> and got his last before the current one published...then they would not
>> take the latest because all of the mags are now getting assailed re Hersh
>> and his lack of verifiable sourcing and his mistakes, his
>> steadily-accummulating  mistakes.
>>     Now the German mag which has published the last---an old editor
>> friend of Hersh's-- is suffering the reputational l loss and ....
>>
>> we will see where Sy Hersh goes next...
>>
>> As he recently said to another reporter asking him questions about
>> discrepancies in his reporting and his experts' "I just write it and move
>> on". So we will see where he goes next, I repeat.
>>
>> He has not been a great reporter recently, in fact is a bad one who
>> effectively cannot get hired by the kind of places who PAID HIM BIG MONEY
>> NOT LONG AGO. These recent years, ANY of his major outlets would have loved
>> ANY of his true scoops---circulation and reputation skyrocket---if they
>> were true.
>>
>> Maybe he will recover himself, who knows, He was a great reporter
>> once--and he is still courageously trying hard to get new stories, it
>> seems.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:36 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay I see yeah I agree there. I know he had to go to some big right
>>> wing German publication to get his story printed. So yeah I think it is
>>> messed you or at least odd that he was completely ignored.
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:36:34 AM
>>> *To:* da kid; Allan Balliett; Pynchon-l
>>> *Subject:* Re: Not P but Disinformation ?
>>>
>>> Am 29.07.2017 um 19:40 schrieb da kid:
>>> >     I don't know about that Seynour Hersch Syria story. He has
>>> > apparently done great work in the past but his report is based off of
>>> > one single source that he says is a military adviser. His story is
>>> > contradicted by all the UN chemical weapons inspector's reports too.
>>> > Although, again on RT, I read that the UN inspector's did not follow
>>> > the normal protocol and their escort was a rebel sympathizer or
>>> > something. So I don't know what to believe. Hersch's story seems less
>>> > reliable though
>>> This is not the point. Doubt him, debate him, debunk him. But to
>>> basically suppress his voice and dismiss his claims out of hand is
>>> disgraceful. The man is the most renowned investigative journalist in
>>> the US.
>>>
>>> As for the debating, only a short remark: RT is obviously referring to
>>> the CW incident in Ghouta in 2013. After the latest serious incident,
>>> the UN inspectors visited neither Idlib/Khan Sheikoun nor the Syrian
>>> airforce base at Sheyrat.
>>>
>>> Here is the OPCW report:
>>>
>>> https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fact_Finding_Mission/s-1
>>> 510-2017_e_.pdf
>>>
>>> The OPCW is an immensely important institution whose reports may decide
>>> about war and peace. So this is interesting:
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/world/to-ousted-boss-arms-
>>> watchdog-was-seen-as-an-obstacle-in-iraq.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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