Not P but Disinformation ?

Sun Jul 30 12:44:47 CDT 2017

So you really believe that Trump's military strike on Syria was justified?
Although his advisors obviously tried to stop him?

2017-07-30 19:31 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:

> He was NEVER ignored. He was---and still is---the legendary Sy Hersh, who
> helped many of today's top investigative reporters---and the editors who
> use their work--be as
> relentless in getting to the truth(s) as they want to be and are.
>
> The New Yorker, who had first rights to Hersh's work not long ago and, if
> you have been a steady reader, loved his and similar reporting, going back
> to Hershey's *Hiroshima* and Jonathon Schell's *The Fate of the Earth* (different
> than Hersh's work but simpatico) and HERSH'S WORK in The New Yorker since
> his legend-making Vietnam and Cambodia reporting--and others I can't
> remember---and I'm not gonna look up. The New Yorker, legendarily among the
> finest edited and fact-checked magazines ever,  stopped taking these recent
> pieces from Hersh---and refuse to give a reason. As kind-hearted Paul
> Mackin suggests, Remnick is NOT going to diss him publicly, evidently
> kindness in his public heart too.....but, the reporting did not hold up,
> all know, and they could not publish it---out of reputational
> self-interest, if for no other reason.
>
> When it went next to the Washington Post, they too turned it down...Marty
> Baron, who will perhaps go down in journalistic history as even a better
> managing editor and cultivator
> of great reporters than Ben Bradlee,---who would have gone to jail happily
> for Sy in the old days,  quietly said, "we had trouble with the
> sourcing".......scores of readers and fact- checkers of Hersh's recent
> reporting say: mostly dicey single-sourcing. Dicey in that he, Hersh, heard
> from unreliable narrators of supposed 'facts"....when Seymour  heard the
> horrible truths of My Lai and re Cambodia and Nixon--Kissinger's secrets,
> just as examples, he was getting *truth.*....now, few believe he
> is......he cannot get the journalistic minimums of two independent sources
> anymore and no one can confirm independently much of what he reports.....
> ASIDE, I love how Marty Baron had the fact that they had NINE (9) sources
> for their story that brought down Gen Flynn put RIGHT INTO the first lines
> of the story....THAT'S how right he wanted to be.......then SY went to the
> very left and European and terrif mag,---look up David Bromwich on Pres
> Trump---THE LONDON REVIEW OF BOOKS, known for more lax fact-checking, no
> history and resources BECAUSE THEY PUBLISH LITTLE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING
> and got his last before the current one published...then they would not
> take the latest because all of the mags are now getting assailed re Hersh
> and his lack of verifiable sourcing and his mistakes, his
> steadily-accummulating  mistakes.
>     Now the German mag which has published the last---an old editor friend
> of Hersh's-- is suffering the reputational l loss and ....
>
> we will see where Sy Hersh goes next...
>
> As he recently said to another reporter asking him questions about
> discrepancies in his reporting and his experts' "I just write it and move
> on". So we will see where he goes next, I repeat.
>
> He has not been a great reporter recently, in fact is a bad one who
> effectively cannot get hired by the kind of places who PAID HIM BIG MONEY
> NOT LONG AGO. These recent years, ANY of his major outlets would have loved
> ANY of his true scoops---circulation and reputation skyrocket---if they
> were true.
>
> Maybe he will recover himself, who knows, He was a great reporter
> once--and he is still courageously trying hard to get new stories, it
> seems.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:36 PM, da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>
>> Okay I see yeah I agree there. I know he had to go to some big right wing
>> German publication to get his story printed. So yeah I think it is messed
>> you or at least odd that he was completely ignored.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:36:34 AM
>> *To:* da kid; Allan Balliett; Pynchon-l
>> *Subject:* Re: Not P but Disinformation ?
>>
>> Am 29.07.2017 um 19:40 schrieb da kid:
>> >     I don't know about that Seynour Hersch Syria story. He has
>> > apparently done great work in the past but his report is based off of
>> > one single source that he says is a military adviser. His story is
>> > contradicted by all the UN chemical weapons inspector's reports too.
>> > Although, again on RT, I read that the UN inspector's did not follow
>> > the normal protocol and their escort was a rebel sympathizer or
>> > something. So I don't know what to believe. Hersch's story seems less
>> > reliable though
>> This is not the point. Doubt him, debate him, debunk him. But to
>> basically suppress his voice and dismiss his claims out of hand is
>> disgraceful. The man is the most renowned investigative journalist in
>> the US.
>>
>> As for the debating, only a short remark: RT is obviously referring to
>> the CW incident in Ghouta in 2013. After the latest serious incident,
>> the UN inspectors visited neither Idlib/Khan Sheikoun nor the Syrian
>> airforce base at Sheyrat.
>>
>> Here is the OPCW report:
>>
>> https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fact_Finding_Mission/s-
>> 1510-2017_e_.pdf
>>
>> The OPCW is an immensely important institution whose reports may decide
>> about war and peace. So this is interesting:
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/world/to-ousted-boss-arms-
>> watchdog-was-seen-as-an-obstacle-in-iraq.html
>>
>>
>>
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