NP - It Was the Racism (not economics)

Mon Nov 20 22:30:30 CST 2017

I guess one thought I have about that article in the context of this thread
is that while it captures something important about Trump and his support,
to me it doesn't do a good job explaining the election. Trump wasn't really
running against Obama, who was still popular enough that I think he would
have beat Trump easily in a head-to-head race. If you want to explain
Trump's success in getting elected, I think you have to look farther than
race.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I loved that article!  Our white press has a really hard time calling out
> white racism.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:16 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This piece by Adam Serwer is worthy of your time, and not unrelated to
>> what we're talking about:
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-
>> nationalists-delusion/546356/
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I assumed you were intelligent enough to make the inference
>>>
>>> On 20 Nov 2017 9:40 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too many links w no synopsis or click bait headlines.  Give a little
>>>> more effort if you expect a response.
>>>> My unsolicited advice.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:26 PM Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It hurts cuz I like mother jones, but come on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksaroy/2016/11/19/man-
>>>>> bites-dog-trump-did-better-with-minorities-than-mitt-
>>>>> romney-did-in-2012/
>>>>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksaroy/2016/11/19/man-bites-dog-trump-did-better-with-minorities-than-mitt-romney-did-in-2012/>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/
>>>>> 11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-
>>>>> romney-did-heres-the-data/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/
>>>>> trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-
>>>>> trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Nov 2017 6:43 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Esdall:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In some respects, the data gathered by Orfield’s team is good news
>>>>>> for Democrats. The core of Trump’s support lies in counties and
>>>>>> municipalities like Dravosburg and Elk County, many of which are losing
>>>>>> population. They are, in effect, the last gasp of white hegemony.
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> what is really striking is how much influence over the course of
>>>>>> events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in
>>>>>> super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited
>>>>>> them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set
>>>>>> the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:17 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the risk of stating the obvious, Romney got 47.2% of the vote and
>>>>>>> Trump got only 46.1%. (Numbers per Wikipedia, which never makes mistakes.)
>>>>>>> So if one is trying to look for reasons that Trump won, looking at where he
>>>>>>> outperformed Romney doesn't quite go to the question, although it's not a
>>>>>>> worthless inquiry. Where Trump really outperformed was in the Electoral
>>>>>>> College.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MJ's piece was entirely based on the Thomas B. Esdall piece, which
>>>>>>>> was a prime example of what-put-Trump-over-the-top-ism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot of things put Trump over the top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Socking it to the Elite is my favorite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right, what's the link there? White people feel that way? There's
>>>>>>>>> no poll. Seems like a bit of a leap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And NPR told me it was dumb poor white people voting for Trump...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been reading MJ for almost a decade, they've taken a weird
>>>>>>>>> turn ever since this last election :^(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:55 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Um, the article said this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *"Anger*, fear and animosity toward immigrants and minorities"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's his thesis.  Makes sense to me.  "Economic Anxiety" was
>>>>>>>>> just an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How does racism work in? Their skin color?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:52 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/heres-how-
>>>>>>>>>> the-residents-of-super-white-america-voted-in-2016/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In most places, even those that are heavily white, Trump won a
>>>>>>>>>> smaller share of the vote than Romney did. The only places where he
>>>>>>>>>> outperformed Romney were in the very whitest suburbs and small towns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Put another way, anger, fear and animosity toward immigrants and
>>>>>>>>>> minorities was most politically potent in the communities most insulated
>>>>>>>>>> from these supposed threats."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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