NP - It Was the Racism (not economics)

Mon Nov 20 23:00:05 CST 2017

Trump running against Obama was never an overt message, but all other
racism was cool.  Trump was so dissed by Obama at that Press Dinner that
Trump later became a cartoon car bomb on our democracy.  BLAMB! Then all
laughs, on us.

Cool.  But,  "Look further than race"  shouldn't mean discount it.  It's
always a gumbo, but Trump made racism front and central in that mix.

David Morris

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:30 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess one thought I have about that article in the context of this
> thread is that while it captures something important about Trump and his
> support, to me it doesn't do a good job explaining the election. Trump
> wasn't really running against Obama, who was still popular enough that I
> think he would have beat Trump easily in a head-to-head race. If you want
> to explain Trump's success in getting elected, I think you have to look
> farther than race.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I loved that article!  Our white press has a really hard time calling out
>> white racism.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:16 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This piece by Adam Serwer is worthy of your time, and not unrelated to
>>> what we're talking about:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I assumed you were intelligent enough to make the inference
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Nov 2017 9:40 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Too many links w no synopsis or click bait headlines.  Give a little
>>>>> more effort if you expect a response.
>>>>> My unsolicited advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:26 PM Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It hurts cuz I like mother jones, but come on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https
>>>>>> ://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksaroy/2016/11/19/man-bites-dog-trump-did-better-with-minorities-than-mitt-romney-did-in-2012/
>>>>>> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksaroy/2016/11/19/man-bites-dog-trump-did-better-with-minorities-than-mitt-romney-did-in-2012/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Nov 2017 6:43 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Esdall:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In some respects, the data gathered by Orfield’s team is good news
>>>>>>> for Democrats. The core of Trump’s support lies in counties and
>>>>>>> municipalities like Dravosburg and Elk County, many of which are losing
>>>>>>> population. They are, in effect, the last gasp of white hegemony.
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> what is really striking is how much influence over the course of
>>>>>>> events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in
>>>>>>> super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited
>>>>>>> them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set
>>>>>>> the nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:17 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the risk of stating the obvious, Romney got 47.2% of the vote
>>>>>>>> and Trump got only 46.1%. (Numbers per Wikipedia, which never makes
>>>>>>>> mistakes.) So if one is trying to look for reasons that Trump won, looking
>>>>>>>> at where he outperformed Romney doesn't quite go to the question, although
>>>>>>>> it's not a worthless inquiry. Where Trump really outperformed was in the
>>>>>>>> Electoral College.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MJ's piece was entirely based on the Thomas B. Esdall piece, which
>>>>>>>>> was a prime example of what-put-Trump-over-the-top-ism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot of things put Trump over the top.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Socking it to the Elite is my favorite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right, what's the link there? White people feel that way? There's
>>>>>>>>>> no poll. Seems like a bit of a leap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And NPR told me it was dumb poor white people voting for Trump...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been reading MJ for almost a decade, they've taken a weird
>>>>>>>>>> turn ever since this last election :^(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:55 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Um, the article said this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *"Anger*, fear and animosity toward immigrants and minorities"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's his thesis.  Makes sense to me.  "Economic Anxiety" was
>>>>>>>>>> just an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>>>>>>>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How does racism work in? Their skin color?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:52 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/heres-how-the-residents-of-super-white-america-voted-in-2016/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In most places, even those that are heavily white, Trump won a
>>>>>>>>>>> smaller share of the vote than Romney did. The only places where he
>>>>>>>>>>> outperformed Romney were in the very whitest suburbs and small towns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Put another way, anger, fear and animosity toward immigrants and
>>>>>>>>>>> minorities was most politically potent in the communities most insulated
>>>>>>>>>>> from these supposed threats."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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