NP - It Was the Racism (not economics)

Fri Nov 24 10:21:47 CST 2017

Terrance, by another name? You are tedious.  I think I will delete this
name from now on.

David Morris

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 9:50 AM Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You make a lot of embarrassing assumptions :(
>
> Or they should be embarrassing. Assuming skin color & assuming inner
> thoughts based on skin color is... well it should be below you, us, &c &c.
>
> Interesting to pass as "white man". I don't want to know.
>
> On Nov 24, 2017, at 10:09 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What you mean by "we," white man?
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:51 PM Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As Pynchon people we should know better. Blacks, whites, yellows, let's
>> skip the sweeping conclusions please.
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:38 PM, L E Bryan <lebryan at sonic.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > It seems to me that talking about “blacks” as a whole is more and more
>> like discussing “blue-eyed”. Aside from the hue, what more can be said
>> about the entire group?
>> >
>> > Lawrence
>> >
>> >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> And a lot of it is over-simplification and sometimes stereotyping.
>>  There are huge blocks of blacks and Latinos who vote with the evangelical
>> and Catholic churches against abortion and LGBT issues and so on.   Blacks
>> are also anti-immigration because they fear it’s about their jobs, too.
>> Latinos tend toward small business ideas in the southwest - another Trump
>> agenda item.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Becky
>> >> https://beckylindroos.wordpress.com
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:32 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Both is an excuse, not analysis.  If "economic anxiety" is one of
>> "both," it was leveraged into racial anxiety.  And racial anxiety spans all
>> economic classes. Economic fears are real. Racial fears are tools for
>> exploitation.
>> >>>
>> >>> David Morris
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:48 PM da kid <peterock86 at live.com> wrote:
>> >>> It was both. End of story. People getting screwed by the economy and
>> being lied to, convincing them that it's China, illegal s, and blacks. Sad
>> how the country is being balkanized.
>> >>> From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org <owner-pynchon-l at waste.org> on
>> behalf of David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 12:00:05 AM
>> >>> To: Robert Mahnke
>> >>> Cc: Atticus Pinecone; Chris v; Paul Mackin; pynchon -l
>> >>> Subject: Re: NP - It Was the Racism (not economics)
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump running against Obama was never an overt message, but all other
>> racism was cool.  Trump was so dissed by Obama at that Press Dinner that
>> Trump later became a cartoon car bomb on our democracy.  BLAMB! Then all
>> laughs, on us.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cool.  But,  "Look further than race"  shouldn't mean discount it.
>> It's always a gumbo, but Trump made racism front and central in that mix.
>> >>>
>> >>> David Morris
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:30 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I guess one thought I have about that article in the context of this
>> thread is that while it captures something important about Trump and his
>> support, to me it doesn't do a good job explaining the election. Trump
>> wasn't really running against Obama, who was still popular enough that I
>> think he would have beat Trump easily in a head-to-head race. If you want
>> to explain Trump's success in getting elected, I think you have to look
>> farther than race.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I loved that article!  Our white press has a really hard time calling
>> out white racism.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:16 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> This piece by Adam Serwer is worthy of your time, and not unrelated
>> to what we're talking about:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-nationalists-delusion/546356/
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> I assumed you were intelligent enough to make the inference
>> >>>
>> >>> On 20 Nov 2017 9:40 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Too many links w no synopsis or click bait headlines.  Give a little
>> more effort if you expect a response.
>> >>> My unsolicited advice.
>> >>>
>> >>> David Morris
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:26 PM Chris v <traditionalgb at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> It hurts cuz I like mother jones, but come on.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/aviksaroy/2016/11/19/man-bites-dog-trump-did-better-with-minorities-than-mitt-romney-did-in-2012/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/11/trump-got-more-votes-from-people-of-color-than-romney-did-heres-the-data/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/trump-did-better-blacks-hispanics-romney-12-exit-polls-n681386
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
>> >>>
>> >>> On 20 Nov 2017 6:43 pm, "David Morris" <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Esdall:
>> >>>
>> >>> In some respects, the data gathered by Orfield’s team is good news
>> for Democrats. The core of Trump’s support lies in counties and
>> municipalities like Dravosburg and Elk County, many of which are losing
>> population. They are, in effect, the last gasp of white hegemony.
>> >>> [...]
>> >>> what is really striking is how much influence over the course of
>> events was exercised by the relatively small numbers of voters in
>> super-white municipalities and counties and by the politician who ignited
>> them — how the last gasp of a small fraction of the electorate set the
>> nation on such a dangerous and destructive course.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 6:17 PM Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> At the risk of stating the obvious, Romney got 47.2% of the vote and
>> Trump got only 46.1%. (Numbers per Wikipedia, which never makes mistakes.)
>> So if one is trying to look for reasons that Trump won, looking at where he
>> outperformed Romney doesn't quite go to the question, although it's not a
>> worthless inquiry. Where Trump really outperformed was in the Electoral
>> College.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> MJ's piece was entirely based on the Thomas B. Esdall piece, which
>> was a prime example of what-put-Trump-over-the-top-ism.
>> >>>
>> >>> A lot of things put Trump over the top.
>> >>>
>> >>> Socking it to the Elite is my favorite.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Right, what's the link there? White people feel that way? There's no
>> poll. Seems like a bit of a leap.
>> >>>
>> >>> And NPR told me it was dumb poor white people voting for Trump...
>> >>>
>> >>> I've been reading MJ for almost a decade, they've taken a weird turn
>> ever since this last election :^(
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 4:55 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Um, the article said this:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Anger, fear and animosity toward immigrants and minorities"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's his thesis.  Makes sense to me.  "Economic Anxiety" was just
>> an excuse.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David Morris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> How does racism work in? Their skin color?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Nov 20, 2017, at 2:52 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/heres-how-the-residents-of-super-white-america-voted-in-2016/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "In most places, even those that are heavily white, Trump won a
>> smaller share of the vote than Romney did. The only places where he
>> outperformed Romney were in the very whitest suburbs and small towns.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Put another way, anger, fear and animosity toward immigrants and
>> minorities was most politically potent in the communities most insulated
>> from these supposed threats."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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