For Smoak--and those who still care about the Read. Remember, Pynchon has never stopped.

[Mark Kohut]

Nice witticism but I don't know what it means. Either, maybe?

And I'll bet most responses from Listers, if there are any, will exclude
what I wrote about the List this morning as well.

The only excluded middles on this List are those whose posts are ignored.









On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hard to have rational discussions about the excluded middle when the list
> has, it seems, excluded its own middle.
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 4:37 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Everybody is satirized in a Pynchon book. And everybody draws their own
> > conclusions.  The list is dead, no one talks about the texts, no
> tolerance
> > for group reads. The world of online communication is increasingly
> reduced
> > to tweets. By 2035 the storms will be upon us if we  are lucky enough to
> > have avoided the nuclear forecast of GR.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 31, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ​IM> [Ernie's]​ satirized, as is his daughter, by the narrative
> > >
> > > This, emphatically. Only after Vineland did some readers wonder “maybe
> > > Pynchon isn't, y'know, totally aligned with my nostalgia for les
> > glorieuses
> > > années 1960, championing the Counterforce 'n stuff."
> > >
> > > Only after M&D did some look back at the science and technologists in
> GR
> > > and see along with the anger and warning (which are there) the
> attraction
> > > and engagement (which were also there all along).
> > >
> > > On present trends, people will stop citing Ernie's speech as proof of
> P's
> > > hatred and fear of the Internet about... oh, 2035?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:54 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ernie is a fool.  He's right about the obvious,  about the history of
> > >> the Internet and how we spend too much time on it,
> > >> but his grasp of the world we actually
> > >> live in is warped by his political obsessions, his nostalgically
> > >> negative view of America.
> > >> He's satirized, as is his daughter, by the narrative.
> > >>
> > >> He's Oedipa Mass, only older, not wiser.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Thomas Eckhardt
> > >> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> > >>> This discussion thread might be of interest to you:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=1310&msg=
> > >> 177333&sort=thread
> > >>>
> > >>>> I'll end my sad rant
> > >>>> with Ernie's words in BE (pg. 419):
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "You serious? Believe that while you still can, Sunshine. You know
> > where
> > >>>> it
> > >>>> all comes from, this online paradise of yours? It started back
> during
> > >> the
> > >>>> Cold War, when think tanks were full of geniuses plotting nuclear
> > >>>> scenarios. Attache cases and horn-rims, every appearance of
> scholarly
> > >>>> sanity, going in to work everyday to imagine all the ways the world
> > was
> > >>>> going to end. Your internet, back then the Defense Department call
> > >>>> DARPAnet, the real purpose was to assure survival of U.S. command
> and
> > >>>> control after a nuclear exchange with the Soviets."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> BE (pg. 420 (he-he)):
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Yep, and your Internet was their invention, this magical
> convenience
> > >> that
> > >>>> creeps now  like a smell through the smallest details of our lives,
> > the
> > >>>> shopping, the housework, the homework, the taxes, absorbing our
> > energy,
> > >>>> eating up our precious time. And there's no innocence. Anywhere.
> Never
> > >>>> was.
> > >>>> It was conceived in sin, the worst possible. As it kept growing, it
> > >> never
> > >>>> stopped carrying in its heart a bitter-cold death wish for the
> planet,
> > >> and
> > >>>> don't think anything has changed, kid."
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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