M & D Group Read (cont)

[Keith Davis]

Apparently, he always wins.

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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> If you ever stop wondering, Satan wins.
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:13 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think we’re always wondering, in P, just how Panoptickal his Towers and Castles are. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:51 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I noticed that--Castles-- during the last almost line by line read I did. Not the Trial so much.  I have come to speculate that 
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>>> K's Castle might be TRP revisioning The City on a Hill loaded with narrative symbolism of the US, esp the last line of wikipedia's summary here.
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>>> The Castle (German: Das Schloss German pronunciation: [das ʃlɔs]; also spelled Das Schloß) is a 1926 novel by Franz Kafka. In it a protagonist known only as K. arrives in a village and struggles to gain access to the mysterious authorities who govern it from a castle. Kafka died before finishing the work, but suggested it would end with K. dying in the village, the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there." Dark and at times surreal, The Castle is often understood to be about alienation, unresponsive bureaucracy, the frustration of trying to conduct business with non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary controlling systems, and the futile pursuit of an unobtainable goal.
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>>> Them Jesuits. 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Speaking of influences, homages, ancestries, reincarnations: I’m struck again—mentioned it in one post but it may deserve repetition and elaboration—at how much Kafka I see around here, these first ~150pgs or so. (Which is not always the case with my experience of Pynchon.) I believe at least three mentions of a/the Castle. The mass hypnosis. The folly that is not quite mirthless, but is still kind of askew—amok—and horrifying. The way there is madness that happens not center stage, maybe not even properly on the stage at all. 
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>>>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This. I see Sterne everywhere in Pynchon, above all in their shared conviction that digression and chronological skipping-about are truer to our inner life than linear narrative. Cherrycoke is only P's most overt tribute to that influence. I'm curious: does Sebald ever sound Sternean to you, as he does to me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The timing is apt, too: Tristram Shandy came out in volumes between 1759 (Rebekah's death; Sterne's mother died and his wife was dangerously ill) and 1767 (end of the Line; Sterne's meeting with Eliza, muse for A Sentimental Journey and the Journal). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Plus... just *look* at the guy. How can a Pynchonian not love a great comic writer who so resembles Harpo Marx?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Draper#/media/File:Laurence_Sterne_by_Sir_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Cherrycoke always brings to my mind that other irreverent clergyman, Lawrence Sterne. If I am not mistaken, Sterne also would have been addressed as the Reverend.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Joseph Tracy:
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>>>>>>>   I would be interested to hear how others hear or listen for Ccoke’s voice.
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
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