M & D Group Read (cont)

[David Morris]

*We* always win, ultimately,  now and forever.

Ultimately Satan is just a bad vibration.  Feel him, see him, know him.
And don't be afraid of him.

David Morris

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:40 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Apparently, he always wins.
>
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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you ever stop wondering, Satan wins.
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:13 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think we’re always wondering, in P, just how Panoptickal his Towers and
>> Castles are.
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:51 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I noticed that--Castles-- during the last almost line by line read I
>> did. Not the Trial so much.  I have come to speculate that
>>
>> K's Castle might be TRP revisioning The City on a Hill loaded with
>> narrative symbolism of the US, esp the last line of wikipedia's summary
>> here.
>>
>> *The Castle* (*German
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language>: Das Schloss* German
>> pronunciation: [das ʃlɔs]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Standard_German>; also spelled *Das
>> Schloß*) is a 1926 novel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novel> by Franz
>> Kafka <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Kafka>. In it a protagonist
>> known only as K. arrives in a village and struggles to gain access to the
>> mysterious authorities who govern it from a castle. Kafka died before
>> finishing the work, but suggested it would end with K. dying in the
>> village, the castle notifying him on his death bed that his "legal claim to
>> live in the village was not valid, yet, taking certain auxiliary
>> circumstances into account, he was permitted to live and work there." Dark
>> and at times surreal <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrealism>, *The
>> Castle* is often understood to be about alienation
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_alienation>, unresponsive
>> bureaucracy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy>, the frustration
>> of trying to conduct business with non-transparent, seemingly arbitrary
>> controlling systems, and the futile pursuit of an unobtainable goal.
>>
>> Them Jesuits.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of influences, homages, ancestries, reincarnations: I’m struck
>>> again—mentioned it in one post but it may deserve repetition and
>>> elaboration—at how much Kafka I see around here, these first ~150pgs or so.
>>> (Which is not always the case with my experience of Pynchon.) I believe at
>>> least three mentions of a/the Castle. The mass hypnosis. The folly that is
>>> not quite mirthless, but is still kind of askew—amok—and horrifying. The
>>> way there is madness that happens not center stage, maybe not even properly
>>> on the stage at all.
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This. I see Sterne everywhere in Pynchon, above all in their shared
>>> conviction that digression and chronological skipping-about are truer to
>>> our inner life than linear narrative. Cherrycoke is only P's most overt
>>> tribute to that influence. I'm curious: does Sebald ever sound Sternean to
>>> you, as he does to me?
>>>
>>> The timing is apt, too: Tristram Shandy came out in volumes between 1759
>>> (Rebekah's death; Sterne's mother died and his wife was dangerously ill)
>>> and 1767 (end of the Line; Sterne's meeting with Eliza, muse for A
>>> Sentimental Journey and the Journal).
>>>
>>> Plus... just *look* at the guy. How can a Pynchonian not love a great
>>> comic writer who so resembles Harpo Marx?
>>>
>>>
>>>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Draper#/media/File:Laurence_Sterne_by_Sir_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Draper#/media/File:Laurence_Sterne_by_Sir_Joshua_Reynolds.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <
>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cherrycoke always brings to my mind that other irreverent clergyman,
>>>> Lawrence Sterne. If I am not mistaken, Sterne also would have been
>>>> addressed as the Reverend.
>>>>
>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Joseph Tracy:
>>>>
>>>>   I would be interested to hear how others hear or listen for Ccoke’s
>>>>> voice.
>>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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