The prophetic genius of BLEEDING EDGE

[David Morris]

I hate art that is propaganda. So I agree with your complaint against
"usefulness."

But I also hate smug, no heart, punditry-prophesy , especially by fiction
writers in novels.

Like pornography, you only know it if it gets wet.

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:55 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> This dramatic prophecy which is BLEEDING EDGE
> has that survival theme beautifully embodied (as his other works have. He
> knows how to end a work of art, all of them, some more than others.
>
> I do not believe in more, --whatever "strategies for survival" and
> "usefulness" mean--for most Art.
>
> I especially believe TRP does not proscribe some course of action(s). His
> ambiguities allow lots of human responses.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:43 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dramatic prophesies, however sharp, require strategies for survival, not
> "I told you so's" afterwards, to be useful.  Be useful.
>
> And strategies also require personal commitment to action to be credible.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:25 AM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I remember revisiting this conversation sometime in March back when
>> we
>> discussing Ernie's soliloquy, and Thomas sent me a link to discussions
>> past
>> about this subject. This late capitalist world we inhabit, the
>> digitization
>> of our lives, which is a long arc TP has been chronicling, but to
>> furiously
>> raid a cliche, but an apt cliche (I Promise...) the bacchanalia of the
>> digital world presented in Bleeding Edge is contrasted with brutal reality
>> of life on the streets of NYC (Think of Nick Windust's pad) ... Once the
>> checks stop clearing, or whomever calls in the tab, the party's over, and
>> it's back to the streets or worse... In the cold hard light of dawn the
>> fraud becomes clear, the nascent fraud that underpins reality, it hearkens
>> back to Lang's Metropolis... at least the social stratification...
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > One aspect.
>> >
>> > All over the mid-world of intellectual chatter which I surf ( your
>> mileage
>> > may vary), highlighted by an oft-cited cover story Harper's piece on how
>> > late capitalism money has driven all but the rich out of NY CITY,
>> >
>> > I remember the Plister who said, when we were reading it, Where are the
>> > Preterites?
>> >
>> > I think our group consensus was that P showed they were going, gone,
>> from
>> > NYC. (Maxine working for $500 -- if I remember right--was sorta the
>> last,
>> > so to suggest. )
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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