The prophetic genius of BLEEDING EDGE

[Chris v]

Didn't it have Russian hackers at the end too?

On Wed, 4 Jul 2018, 12:26 David Morris, <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> I hate art that is propaganda. So I agree with your complaint against
> "usefulness."
>
> But I also hate smug, no heart, punditry-prophesy , especially by fiction
> writers in novels.
>
> Like pornography, you only know it if it gets wet.
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:55 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This dramatic prophecy which is BLEEDING EDGE
> > has that survival theme beautifully embodied (as his other works have. He
> > knows how to end a work of art, all of them, some more than others.
> >
> > I do not believe in more, --whatever "strategies for survival" and
> > "usefulness" mean--for most Art.
> >
> > I especially believe TRP does not proscribe some course of action(s). His
> > ambiguities allow lots of human responses.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:43 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dramatic prophesies, however sharp, require strategies for survival, not
> > "I told you so's" afterwards, to be useful.  Be useful.
> >
> > And strategies also require personal commitment to action to be credible.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 10:25 AM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I remember revisiting this conversation sometime in March back when
> >> we
> >> discussing Ernie's soliloquy, and Thomas sent me a link to discussions
> >> past
> >> about this subject. This late capitalist world we inhabit, the
> >> digitization
> >> of our lives, which is a long arc TP has been chronicling, but to
> >> furiously
> >> raid a cliche, but an apt cliche (I Promise...) the bacchanalia of the
> >> digital world presented in Bleeding Edge is contrasted with brutal
> reality
> >> of life on the streets of NYC (Think of Nick Windust's pad) ... Once the
> >> checks stop clearing, or whomever calls in the tab, the party's over,
> and
> >> it's back to the streets or worse... In the cold hard light of dawn the
> >> fraud becomes clear, the nascent fraud that underpins reality, it
> hearkens
> >> back to Lang's Metropolis... at least the social stratification...
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > One aspect.
> >> >
> >> > All over the mid-world of intellectual chatter which I surf ( your
> >> mileage
> >> > may vary), highlighted by an oft-cited cover story Harper's piece on
> how
> >> > late capitalism money has driven all but the rich out of NY CITY,
> >> >
> >> > I remember the Plister who said, when we were reading it, Where are
> the
> >> > Preterites?
> >> >
> >> > I think our group consensus was that P showed they were going, gone,
> >> from
> >> > NYC. (Maxine working for $500 -- if I remember right--was sorta the
> >> last,
> >> > so to suggest. )
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
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