Drugless Paths to the Mystical Experience

[Jochen Stremmel]

I doubt that She said she said could have been written with mind training
alone.

2018-06-01 1:17 GMT+02:00 Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>:

> Ain't nowhere you can go with drugs that you can't get more genuinely and
> enduringly to with mind training.
> Well, except for the hallucinations, and those are hallucinations, not
> mystical experience.
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Smoke,
> >
> > I think most teachers would disapprove of your seeking after "mystical
> > experiences."  But maybe you just are using the wrong terms.  If what you
> > want is an "experience,"  why not just use drugs?  The "without drugs"
> part
> > implies you want something more authentic, and thus more "true?"  This
> > brings on the subject of "mystical."   Here's Webster:
> >
> > Definition of mystical
> > 1a *: *having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to
> > the senses nor obvious to the intelligence
> >
> >    - the mysticalfood of the sacrament
> >
> > b *: *involving or having the nature of an individual's direct subjective
> > communion with God or ultimate reality
> >
> >    - the mysticalexperience of the Inner Light
> >
> > So the "mystical" implies a hidden realm/reality, and even more so
> Ultimate
> > Reality.  This subject can and does go on forever, so I'll just point you
> > to a website that provides interviews with people from MANY different
> > paths, many of whom have reached deep levels of spiritual
> > realization/experience.  Most of these paths agree that what most people
> > experience is an illusion or veil that can be seen through into a
> > multi-faceted deeper reality.
> >
> > Buddha at the Gas Pump:
> > https://batgap.com/
> >
> > I experienced a Kundalini awakening over six years ago, but I didn't seek
> > it, nor did I know what it was at first (thank God for the internet).  I
> > was just trying to get myself stable via meditation, having been thrown
> > into emotional turmoil by the end of a 28 year marriage.  Then it
> > happened.  I didn't choose Kundalini.  It chose me.  I think that is a
> > common aspect of many mystical experiences.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The value of mushrooms has not depreciated in my mind (though many of
> my
> > > psychedelic experiences before doing an ayahuasca ceremony do seem
> > somewhat
> > > like a child tinkering with an elementary spiritual chemistry set,
> > without
> > > having even read the instructions).
> > >
> > > But I’m interested in getting there mostly with the body technology I
> was
> > > given—want to cultivate a path I can replicate in most/any environs
> > >
> > > Fasting and sleep deprivation have been useful in the past seem like
> they
> > > involve unnecessary suffering, especially for a regular practice that
> > will
> > > integrate with the rest of my life at this moment—and they associate
> too
> > > closely to me with other familiar ways of being
> > >
> > > Art gets me a decent part of the way sometimes
> > >
> > > I know at least Morris will have some kundalini to tell me about. I’m
> > > thinking of things more along those lines.
> > >
> > > Breathing, movement, meditation
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On May 31, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Glenn fuller <
> glennfuller at sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fasting and Sleep Deprivation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:20 AM, Allan Balliett <
> > > allan.balliett at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Convince yourself that ‘shrooms aren’t a drug!
> > > >
> > > > Are you reading the new Pollan?
> > > >
> > > > ALLAN in WV, where the patties are in bloom
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:59 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
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