Drugless Paths to the Mystical Experience

[Ian Livingston]

Doubt is a good motivator for investigation.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I doubt that She said she said could have been written with mind training
> alone.
>
> 2018-06-01 1:17 GMT+02:00 Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>:
>
>> Ain't nowhere you can go with drugs that you can't get more genuinely and
>> enduringly to with mind training.
>> Well, except for the hallucinations, and those are hallucinations, not
>> mystical experience.
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Smoke,
>> >
>> > I think most teachers would disapprove of your seeking after "mystical
>> > experiences."  But maybe you just are using the wrong terms.  If what
>> you
>> > want is an "experience,"  why not just use drugs?  The "without drugs"
>> part
>> > implies you want something more authentic, and thus more "true?"  This
>> > brings on the subject of "mystical."   Here's Webster:
>> >
>> > Definition of mystical
>> > 1a *: *having a spiritual meaning or reality that is neither apparent to
>> > the senses nor obvious to the intelligence
>> >
>> >    - the mysticalfood of the sacrament
>> >
>> > b *: *involving or having the nature of an individual's direct
>> subjective
>> > communion with God or ultimate reality
>> >
>> >    - the mysticalexperience of the Inner Light
>> >
>> > So the "mystical" implies a hidden realm/reality, and even more so
>> Ultimate
>> > Reality.  This subject can and does go on forever, so I'll just point
>> you
>> > to a website that provides interviews with people from MANY different
>> > paths, many of whom have reached deep levels of spiritual
>> > realization/experience.  Most of these paths agree that what most people
>> > experience is an illusion or veil that can be seen through into a
>> > multi-faceted deeper reality.
>> >
>> > Buddha at the Gas Pump:
>> > https://batgap.com/
>> >
>> > I experienced a Kundalini awakening over six years ago, but I didn't
>> seek
>> > it, nor did I know what it was at first (thank God for the internet).  I
>> > was just trying to get myself stable via meditation, having been thrown
>> > into emotional turmoil by the end of a 28 year marriage.  Then it
>> > happened.  I didn't choose Kundalini.  It chose me.  I think that is a
>> > common aspect of many mystical experiences.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The value of mushrooms has not depreciated in my mind (though many of
>> my
>> > > psychedelic experiences before doing an ayahuasca ceremony do seem
>> > somewhat
>> > > like a child tinkering with an elementary spiritual chemistry set,
>> > without
>> > > having even read the instructions).
>> > >
>> > > But I’m interested in getting there mostly with the body technology I
>> was
>> > > given—want to cultivate a path I can replicate in most/any environs
>> > >
>> > > Fasting and sleep deprivation have been useful in the past seem like
>> they
>> > > involve unnecessary suffering, especially for a regular practice that
>> > will
>> > > integrate with the rest of my life at this moment—and they associate
>> too
>> > > closely to me with other familiar ways of being
>> > >
>> > > Art gets me a decent part of the way sometimes
>> > >
>> > > I know at least Morris will have some kundalini to tell me about. I’m
>> > > thinking of things more along those lines.
>> > >
>> > > Breathing, movement, meditation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On May 31, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Glenn fuller <
>> glennfuller at sbcglobal.net>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Fasting and Sleep Deprivation.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thursday, May 31, 2018 10:20 AM, Allan Balliett <
>> > > allan.balliett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Convince yourself that ‘shrooms aren’t a drug!
>> > > >
>> > > > Are you reading the new Pollan?
>> > > >
>> > > > ALLAN in WV, where the patties are in bloom
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:59 PM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
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