AtD translation: rough-ins overlapping faster and faster

[Jochen Stremmel]

Mark, do you really believe your favorite author would use a word he
overheard without either inquiring immediately or looking it up later?

And he wouldn't have heard anything like "ruff-in" or "-ins".

2018-05-14 16:36 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:

> From Peterthopper:
>
>     "A bit of pointless speculation occurs to me about Pynchon's source
> for the
> phrase being oral rather than written - as a known jazz afficionado, he
> could've copped the phrase from a conversation with another around a
> drinks-laden table, with fragrant vapors in the air, and retained it
> slightly altered."
>
> I do not think this is pointless speculation but quite possibly the
> answer. Under this scenario,
> there is no careless typo missed even by TRP....As I wrote, I think it
> quite possible that he heard
> the phrase "ruff ins" or "rough-ins" in talk, and simply assumed it was
> the way he wrote it. One of them there
> hard to know, hidden in specialized slan*g heterographs. *
>
> Again, neither Jochen nor I even THOUGHT of looking for a possible
> alternate spelling when we searched.
> Seems the relentless Mike Jing did, so all credit due. As well as to
> Peterthopper.
>
> If this reading is correct.
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Apart from the unlikeliness of a typo at that special point or place (the
>> other way around would make more sense as "rough" is only spoken "ruff",
>> not spelled), don't forget the "-ins".
>>
>> 2018-05-14 14:11 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> More circumstance to the circumstantial argument: If I remember
>>> correctly, there are seven (7) OED first use in print entries by OBA,
>>> starting with 'shrink", in the sixties.
>>> The man listens to his time.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, since we're voting, I think it is quite possible...he sat around
>>>> jazz clubs and heard the talk, we know...and talked with some...
>>>> who of us--except Mike Jing--even THOUGHT of the other spelling of
>>>> rough, with a phrase that really isn't in the best dictionaries as written.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Mike, but I think it's very unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-05-14 8:40 GMT+02:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> > That's very likely. Thanks for the reply.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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