AtD translation: rough-ins overlapping faster and faster

[Mike Jing]

I was hesitant since I couldn't find anything regarding "rough-in" or
"ruff-in", however, the possible relevance of the word "ruff" was too
obvious to ignore, at least to me. I'm still not sure, of course, but it's
a possibility.


On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:39 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mark, do you really believe your favorite author would use a word he
> overheard without either inquiring immediately or looking it up later?
>
> And he wouldn't have heard anything like "ruff-in" or "-ins".
>
> 2018-05-14 16:36 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>
>> From Peterthopper:
>>
>>     "A bit of pointless speculation occurs to me about Pynchon's source
>> for the
>> phrase being oral rather than written - as a known jazz afficionado, he
>> could've copped the phrase from a conversation with another around a
>> drinks-laden table, with fragrant vapors in the air, and retained it
>> slightly altered."
>>
>> I do not think this is pointless speculation but quite possibly the
>> answer. Under this scenario,
>> there is no careless typo missed even by TRP....As I wrote, I think it
>> quite possible that he heard
>> the phrase "ruff ins" or "rough-ins" in talk, and simply assumed it was
>> the way he wrote it. One of them there
>> hard to know, hidden in specialized slan*g heterographs. *
>>
>> Again, neither Jochen nor I even THOUGHT of looking for a possible
>> alternate spelling when we searched.
>> Seems the relentless Mike Jing did, so all credit due. As well as to
>> Peterthopper.
>>
>> If this reading is correct.
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Apart from the unlikeliness of a typo at that special point or place
>>> (the other way around would make more sense as "rough" is only spoken
>>> "ruff", not spelled), don't forget the "-ins".
>>>
>>> 2018-05-14 14:11 GMT+02:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> More circumstance to the circumstantial argument: If I remember
>>>> correctly, there are seven (7) OED first use in print entries by OBA,
>>>> starting with 'shrink", in the sixties.
>>>> The man listens to his time.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:58 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, since we're voting, I think it is quite possible...he sat around
>>>>> jazz clubs and heard the talk, we know...and talked with some...
>>>>> who of us--except Mike Jing--even THOUGHT of the other spelling of
>>>>> rough, with a phrase that really isn't in the best dictionaries as written.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, Mike, but I think it's very unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-05-14 8:40 GMT+02:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > That's very likely. Thanks for the reply.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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