Russian Collusion

Tue Sep 18 22:21:02 CDT 2018

I refuse to edit, much less read, P-list posts full of barrages of linked
stories from sources I don't know. Too much work for me...

So I missed the sharp answer you quote.  Is there a context in the text
that belies this simplicity?

David Morris

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 8:45 PM peterthooper at juno.com <peterthooper at juno.com>
wrote:

> although the post was mostly quotes, didn't this, seemingly emanating from
> Mr Eckhart, about 1/2 way down:
>
>  "This seems to be a very sensible statement. Whatever Manafort did, he did
> > not "smear" Tymoshenko. The allegations are factually correct."
>
> directly respond to your question?
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> To: Thomas Eckhardt <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> Cc: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Subject: Re: Russian Collusion
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 05:55:08 -0500
>
> Lots of words, but not an answer to my question.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:24 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:50:22 -0500
> >   David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Are there any P-listers who think that Manafort is being
> > >framed?  That he
> > > didn't collude w/ Russia to promote Yanukovych in US
> > >diplomatic circles by
> > > smearing  Tymoshenko as anti-Semitic?
> >
> > "On 19 October 2012, Batkivshchyna and Svoboda signed an agreement for
> > 'the
> > creation of a coalition of democratic forces in the new parliament'."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Fatherland%22
> > There can be no doubt that Svoboda is a Fascist party. It was founded in
> > 1991 under the name Social-National Party of Ukraine by Oleh Thyahnybok
> > and
> > (the much more important) Andriy Parubiy and used the Wolfsangel of the
> > 2nd
> > SS Panzer Division 'Das Reich' as its emblem. The Wolfsangel is the
> > Ukrainian version of the swastika.
> > Here is the European Parliament in December 2012:
> > "Parliament goes on to express
> > concern about the rising nationalistic sentiment in Ukraine, expressed in
> > support for the Svoboda Party, which, as a result, is one of the two new
> > parties to enter the Verkhovna Rada. It recalls that racist, anti-Semitic
> > and xenophobic views go against the EU's fundamental values and
> principles
> > and therefore appeals to pro-democratic parties in the Verkhovna Rada not
> > to
> > associate with, endorse or form coalitions with this party."
> > http://www.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/popups/summary.do?id=1239823&t=e&l=en
> > Svoboda's leader, Oleh Thyahnybok, was "expelled from the Our Ukraine
> > parliamentary faction after he made a speech in the Carpathian Mountains
> > at
> > the gravesite of a commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. In the
> > speech,
> > which was aired on television in the summer of 2004, he made comments
> such
> > as,
> >   " [You are the ones] that the Moscow-Jewish mafia ruling Ukraine fears
> > most."
> > and
> > "They
> >
> > were not afraid and we should not be afraid. They took their automatic
> > guns
> > on their necks and went into the woods, and fought against the
> Muscovites,
> > Germans, Jews and other scum who wanted to take away our Ukrainian
> state."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleh_Tyahnybok
> > In 2013, Thyahnybok was barred from entering the US because of his
> > anti-semitic views:
> >
> >
> https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/179415/ukrainian-far-right-nationalists-barred-from-us-fo/#ixzz3TzHrdPDj
> > To sum up: There can be absolutely no doubt that Svoboda is a fascist,
> > anti-Semitic party and that Tymoshenko's "Fatherland" formed an alliance
> > with it as early as 2012.
> > In reaction to the agreement between "Fatherland" and Svoboda, the
> Israeli
> > Foreign Ministry issued a statement:
> > "The Oct. 27, 2012, statement from the Israeli Foreign Ministry said the
> > country was 'concerned about the growing extremist anti-Semitic forces in
> > Ukraine' and cited the partnership agreement. 'Israel is concerned about
> > the
> > recently signed agreement between the Batkivshchyna Party and the
> > extremist
> > Freedom Party, whose anti-Semitic attacks repeatedly aroused resentment
> > both
> > in Ukraine and in Israel,' the statement from Liberman’s office read.'
> >
> >
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bada-bing-bada-boom-paul-manaforts-attempt-to-smear-a-jailed-ukrainian-politician/2018/09/14/c5ac93b6-b837-11e8-a2c5-3187f427e253_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3859bea101ed
> > This seems to be a very sensible statement. Whatever Manafort did, he did
> > not "smear" Tymoshenko. The allegations are factually correct.
> >
> > This is from May 2018:
> > "A wave of anti-Semitism has swept over Ukraine. In the past three weeks
> > alone, a far-right leader publicly called for cleansing Ukraine of zhidi
> > (a
> > slur equivalent to “kike”); a Holocaust memorial in Ternopil was
> > bombed; hundreds marched through Lviv, in honor of an SS unit, complete
> > with
> > Nazi salutes; “Death to Zhidi” graffiti was scrawled in two cities; a
> > revered rabbi’s tomb was vandalized; a Romani camp in Kiev was attacked
> > and
> > burned by far-right nationalists, and hundreds rocked out at a neo-Nazi
> > concert clad in swastikas and throwing up Nazi salutes.
> > (...)
> > Ukraine is currently witnessing an unprecedented new surge of
> > anti-Semitism.
> > Last month alone, there were over 12 well-documented incidents of
> > anti-Semitism. It must stop. pic.twitter.com/o6Cmm3LLCt— (((WJC)))
> > (@WorldJewishCong) May 3, 2018
> > (....)
> > Over the past four years of Poroshenko’s presidency, Ukraine has
> > experienced
> > a steady growth of anti-Semitism, including the glorification of Nazi
> > collaborators, vandalism of Jewish sites and public threats against Jews
> —
> > and the rate of anti-Semitic incidents appears to be escalating."
> >
> >
> https://forward.com/opinion/401518/violent-anti-semitism-is-gripping-ukraine-and-the-government-is-standing/
> > Meanwhile the US have started to train and arm the Azov Battalion which
> > operates under, you guessed it, the Wolfsangel:
> > "The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their
> > banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or
> > anti-Semites. "
> > The former leader of the Azov Battalion is Andriy Biletsky:
> > "A former history student and amateur boxer, Mr Biletsky is also head of
> > an
> > extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The
> > historic
> > mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races
> > of
> > the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent
> > commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen."
> >
> >
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Biletsky_(politician)
> > If you want to see officers of the US Army fraternizing with neo-Nazis
> and
> > learn a little more about Andriy Parubiy:
> >
> >
> https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/02/05/max-blumenthal-us-is-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/
> >
> >
> https://therealnews.com/stories/ukrainian-fascist-leader-speaks-in-us-congress-while-nazis-launch-racist-attacks
> >
> >
> https://therealnews.com/columns/the-us-is-arming-and-assisting-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-while-congress-debates-prohibition
> > >It's not what I'd call the Left.
> > Well, one thing is for certain: It is not the Nazi-arming,
> > anti-Semites-supporting, Al-Qaeda-at-the-risk-of-WW-III-protecting,
> > John-McCain-adoring, CIA-and-FBI-trusting and Neoconservative "Left".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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