Yeah, right, climate change is unproven. We, the world, have 12 years left, they say.

[Mark Thibodeau]

And the Pentagon pushing Global Warming doesn't give you even the
slightest moment's pause?

Jerky

PS - You're probably right. But I think that, on the individual level,
we are literally powerless to do anything about it, or to be certain
about anything. I don't have a particular policy preference, except
that I always vote for the most liberal candidate with a chance of
actually winning, wherever I am. Most of them have some sort of green
cleanup and renewable energy policies on the books, but I am not in a
position to determine whether these equate to a real potential for
change, or just a drop in the feel good bucket.

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:03 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> I think your premise of bad predictions is not defensible. There has been a range of prdections and for the most part the mainstream predictions of accepted climate science have pointed to slower changes than have actually occurred. I am skeptical that you can defend your argument in a thorough and fair  paper with enough bad predictions compared to solid predictions to support this premise. The debate is not alarmist at all. The reality is what is alarming and the dangers are even acknowledged by the pentagon, though their answer seems to be more madness with no particular reduction of fossil fuel use.
>
> Already dead zones are growing, and climate and  oil-war refugees are in the millions, major aquifers in North America are being sucked dry and the snow pack in the sierras is unsustainable. The trouble with large scale catastrophes is they happen only to distant others until they happen to you.
>
> > On Feb 5, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well Mark, I don't mean to disappoint you! :-)
> >
> > I am a leftish-liberal, and am by no means a "climate change denier".
> > I feel that there are so many ways in which our species has messed/is
> > messing with our planet's ecosystems in irreversible, catastrophic
> > ways.
> >
> > However... I just don't know. Lately, I can't help but feel that there
> > HAS been a not so honest, one-sided sort of alarmism tailor made
> > specifically to put folks just like me into a state of panicking dread
> > about the whole thing. And to find the "failed predictions", I didn't
> > get them from some right-wing think-tank white papers or shitty
> > articles on shitty far right rags that pretend to be intellectually
> > solid. All I had to do was look back on the archive of my own (very
> > left-liberal, if also raucous and foul-mouthed) newsletter, the Daily
> > Dirt, circa 1999-2006, where I unquestioningly printed those
> > predictions with full credulity and the requisite amplification of
> > doom-mood. So there's even an added element of GUILT on my part for
> > having helped vector into the info-sphere some information that would
> > perhaps more accurately (and generously) be described as "erroneous
> > propaganda" (giving them the benefit of the doubt), no matter how
> > noble the cause.
> >
> > So forgive me if these "we've got twelve years to save the world"
> > memes don't have the same affect on me as they did when I first
> > started hearing them 20-something years ago.
> >
> > Jerky
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:13 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> interesting from you....
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I used to hold the same opinions as you regarding climate change. But
> >>> then I went back to roughly the turn of the millennium and started
> >>> looking at the predictions all the climate change experts were making
> >>> for the short term - meaning 2010, 2015, 2020, 2025, in that range -
> >>> including the "conservative" ones... and I gotta say, there was an
> >>> AWFUL lot of fear-mongering extremism about stuff, and not too many of
> >>> those predictions have come to pass. So I definitely think there IS
> >>> something to the idea that computer modeling leaves a lot to be
> >>> desired in terms of its predictive capabilities.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I'm just... I'm not as doomsday-sure as I used to be, let's
> >>> put it that way.
> >>>
> >>> Jerky
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:11 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ..... And people don't like my political tone or most opinions.....I say FREEZE OUT alll climate change deniers. (get it?, haha)
> >>>>
> >>>> https://twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/1092788963566211072
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