Also, just fyi

[David Morris]

Edit yourself, JT! Cut your text down by 75% at least.  You seriously need
a throttle.

If you have a point, right now it isn't being heard.

David Morris

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 6:13 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> First of all. You wildly exaggerate the influence of Russians. These
> "rallies" were on the order of dozens from what I have read. The memes that
> have been published are pathetic. Meanwhile there were the facebook
> facilitated memes personally tailored to the user by Cambridge Analytica on
> a massive scale. They spread many lies and far more effectively than the
> Russians.  The emails are Hilary’s own fault and are not lies but the truth
> exposed of her hypocrisy and condescending snobbery. Meanwhile the US
> spends billions to influence elections and prop up dictators. We boasted
> openly of bringing the drunkard shithead Yeltsin to power. We help the
> Saudis bomb and starve Yemenis who clearly have a legitimate grievance and
> wide popular support for their attempted revolution against the Saudi
> approved ruler. The NY Times helped foster a murderous war in Iraq based on
> CIA propaganda.This was far more deastating to human lives than Russian
> memes on Facebook. Obama/Hillary approved of an outrageous coup against an
> elected reformer in Honduras( the poorest and most US compliant state in
> Central America); a coup opposed by the OAS. The results were a wave of
> crime by police and Criminal gangs which Hondurans are now fleeing to be
> met by an ultra militarized America.
>  Then we are just shocked and morally outraged that someone else might
> play this nasty  game.  I fully agree that trying to fuck with somebody
> else’s democratic processes is an outrage. It is an outrage most
> exemplified in recent history by the United States. So let’s lead first and
> foremost by example. Let’s truly stand for free and fair democratic process
> and a free, diverse press. Let’s stop defending the murderously
> hypocritical policies of both parties and admit theat the problem is far
> deeper than Trump. Let’s rein in the deep state and insist on greater
> trasparency cositet with the Constitution. As Glenn Greenwald said, ‘Trump
> is America’s Id’. He is the personification of a Greedy Conceited Bully
> with too much Power.
>   The Trump problem is not located in Russia. The Trump problem is right
> here in America.
>
> > On Jan 6, 2019, at 4:10 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The US President is far worse than "a clown", I suggest, to a man who
> > believes in the right words used in the right way. (But it may be just a
> > Plist throwaway word although I remember when I was judged for the same
> > tossed-off verbiage).
> >
> > I will send more on Russian interference in the US election of 2016, the
> > best work done on it, when I get it together but perhaps the case can
> > be made with simple logic.
> >
> > Tens of millions, maybe a hundred million Americans were reached, many
> > 'influenced' by actions that the Russian hackers did on Facebook, on
> > twitter in 2016.
> > One hacker trick was to go onto Facebook and schedule a Trump rally,
> place
> > and time, and others would 'join' and build and spread the enthusiasm and
> > PRESTO, there would be that rally, with the bot that started it now even
> > known about. Who can measure the effect in solidifying minds and bringing
> > out the vote?
> >
> > (In my state, a group movement to drive a polluting multinational out of
> > the County
> > rose to thousands faster than I can read and at meetings and rallies,
> > almost no one knows who started the group. Natural leaders emerge and
> > continue)
> >
> > Couple the above with the fact that Trump won with fewer than 100,000
> votes
> > out of three states, three bot-targeted states. Donald Trump will be
> > president thanks to 80,000 people in three states---Wa Po.
> >
> > We won't ever know what the Russians made happen at the US polls---and I
> > did not even go into anti-Hillary efforts by the Russians, which might
> have
> > kept the low turnout even lower.
> >
> > To be so dismissive of the possible Russian effects on these United
> States,
> > leads me to distrust many "political" judgments about the US of those who
> > are.
> >
> > As TRP said of the guy who argued in that NYC rag that he was J.D.
> > Salinger, "I didn't know of this newspaper but we need all the news we
> can
> > get. [Fed his jab at
> > the NYT's "All the news that's fit to print" [see *Anniversaries *as
> > counter-exemplum] ..."Keep Trying", he urged.
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